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vince- yup agreed gill- some of the truely active people on the board here and the "old timers" will remember this. Awhile back my ex did a huge report for the LOSSC (stakeholders) this report was a finical impact that the lake Ontario fishery had on the economy of NYS. All the data, information, return on the dollar etc was taken and used from government data and information. This report was then complied, graphed, and written up into a booklet. This booklet was present to everyone from local clubs all the way to the top of the food chain including the federal level. It opened alot of peoples eyes, open some communication, meetings on a levels and branches where held.NOT A SINGLE person of any governing body challenged or denayed the massive amount of revenue created by the fishery on Lake ontario. BUT here we are years later still trying to get the same basic issues and situations addressed. The powers above know the money and trickle down income generated from the lake.

vince- I will be the first one in line if they'd like a volunteer group of stakeholders/users to strip Chinook this fall. A phone call away or a post on here...I would be there also and sure alot of others would. Gill- this has been happening for years and many organizations, clubs, and even a stakeholders group has/was/is around to communicate with the DEC. Meetings range from individual groups to meetings with just dec, then dec with local, state and fed. reps. I have sat in a number of meetings with the DEC, State and Fed agency's. LOTSA, ELOTSA, Charter groups, and tributary organizations all are a great place to join, learn, participate and have a voice. like stated power in numbers and Squeaky Wheel gets the grease.

I agree fully about the egg collection. This has been discussed before and is something that we should keep pressing the DEC on. This is a battle that is worth fighting. I strongly believe that the collection is genetically engineering smaller salmon. yes there are other factors like mother nature etc but keep "breeding" smaller fish ya going to get smaller fish. Also we need to keep pressing the DEC on more pen fish allotment. Once when there study is done and data collected it should be a battle in our favor that we can win. As for the Lake Trout... these fish will always be added. Federaly funded and a native species. The Great Lakes Fishery has alot of say and power over the DEC as to what when and how many are going into the lake. I disagree with the number increase of them, and it is very "stressful" to hear the DEC state all their data, say no to more king stocking, then finish by stating a long living, eating machine lake trout increase BUT again we are barking at the wrong people about it. Salmonboy-I have to disagree with point about the DEC. They are a government agency and since this is supposed to be a government for the people shouldn't there main function in this case be to do what the people want/what's in the best interest of the people? once again the DEC primary concern and focus is conservation and the environment. If for some god known reason it was determined that salmon or any other non native species was seriously impacting the environment and hurting it.... they would be gone. Fishing for them is a benefit to us all. yes it is a put and take fishery but dont believe for a second that it has to be here for us because it what people want.

Gill-t I own a construction business and offered to help with some of the building issues. It was issue after issue of politics and insurance and liability etc.

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here is the bottom line some of you are not gonna like it but its a fact. AND IT SUCKS. the DEC stands for Department of Environmental Conservation- their mission first and foremost is to focus on the enviroment and conservation. Ecosystems, water quality, species control whatever the cause maybe - their job is to help conserve and maintain the enviroment if their job or plan was to put fish in the lake for us to catch, make them all get to 40lbs and keep it jam packed stock so we all can make $ off the enviroment the DEC would stand for Demartment of my EXTRA CHANGE. they are here to keep the lands and lakes in NY and dont care about us making money of the resources or if there is 40lb. around. Thats the bottom line and cold hard facts. We enjoy the lake and the fishing it has. Some of us make some financial gain from it but thats our decision to try to do so. 2 weeks or so from now we all will be enjoy what is out there....want more or better YUP but that's human natural lol

Dave- it was a figure of speach and was only trying to make a point. When you work with them instead of slamming and demand stuff happens alot easier.

tom - well stated

Put it in their face agreed! BUT also drop an offering down deeper also - catch the big lazy fat one that dont wanna move. that way ya double dipping get quality and quanity

Yankee- lake trout fishing will no longer be referenced as 'farming" or anything else along them lines I think we should now call it "government subsidized fishing "

like i stated three pages ago ...broken record. "hands tied" no money data for us not needed ....... I agree that the "trib" fisherman voices are heard alot more than "lake" fisherman....but there are some self inflicted reasons for this. Not saying the only reason but a part of it . Go to these meetings and "trib" fisherman are bonded,grouped,organized. They tend to not "put down" the dec. "trib." guys approach the dec in NUMBERS, ORGANIZED, and with a "what can we do to help" approach ,,,,,then they get alittle "reward" here and there for their voice. Alot of lake guys are not gonna like it but its approach that "lake" fisherman need to take. slamming the dec, screaming,yelling, asking for a million different things at once just don't work. Fight battles, win one at a time to win a war. Wanting, wishing, demanding 10 different things at once will only fall on deaf ears. Jerry you know what i'm saying.

Jason, the DEC can't afford the creel census boat to be out as often as it should , there is no way to enforce or regulate something along that lines. Its truely not needed either...just looking for more consistent and accurate pieces to the puzzle.

fins- we use a plastic 3 ring binder to keep our log in ...easy to store, take on and off boat as needed, whatever.

look forward to the notes.

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