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The numbers taken during tourneys is a drop in the bucket when you look at what is stocked and naturally reproduced each year. Trolling open water hoping for big fish is vastly different than sight fishing a ditch or having to run a gauntlet on both sides of the river to make it to a hatchery. These big ones are half out of the water when running rapids and easily spotted by the crowds. These are pretty liberal numbers but lets say there are 50 tourneys on the lake in a season. Each one consisting of 20 teams, and each team takes 10 fish a day. That's 10,000 fish a year. For Chinook only they stock about 1,000,000 a year and due to a 50% natural reproduction rate (on average) that means 2,000,000 enter our system. I'd bet more than 10,000 leave our tribs in a months time.
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Canadian tribs are closed down to Salmon fishing. Year in, and year out, they absolutely obliterate us when it comes to big fish. I'd say it's more than speculation. Also, the SR is the main natural reproducing trib on the South Shore and come Summer (July/Aug) when the Salmon are inhabiting the whole lake the East end tends to get a larger sized fish. I've watched this for years.. Are those SR naturals?
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I want great fishing and bigger fish. BOTH of which can be achieved by closing down the Salmon River during "Salmon" season. Open it up Nov 1st and have at it with the steelhead. The rest of the south shore can be the wild west for all I care. The Salmon River is the only conducive stream for natural reproduction year in and year out. It is also the stream our eggs/sperm get taken from so the hatchery can do its thing, and I want the best genes being used instead of them being dragged out of the river by their tails.
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Ya, we should turn a blind eye to the dirt bags that come here every year becasue they "spend money." I say dirt bags becasue they break regulations and limits up there with a lack of respect for the Salmon fishery. ONE piece of this lake benefits from this Fall Salmon run, but the WHOLE lake suffers from the best genes getting dragged out before they get to the hatchery. Canadian North Shore is your perfect example. They get big fish in the Summer. Their streams are closed during the Fall run, and the big dogs breed the big dogs. Enough about Pulaski businesses needing this. The rest of the small towns around the lake survive.
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Weird, a fly guy mentioned an Atlantic. I agree these Salmon are no good this time of year hence why we need the Salmon River closed, like the Canadian tribs, so the Salmon (fish managed for the Lake) can do their thing and our best genes aren't yanked out in a ditch. As for your over-priced comment. Please go out and purchase a nice boat, equipment to be successful day in and day out, and report back to us if it was smarter to book a few charters each season. Especially, since most of the clientele live more than a few hours away. Lastly, may God help you with your grammar in future posts, or you cold just fix the words with the squiggly red lines while your hammering away on the keyboard.
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Crazy Yankee Sportfishing on scouts Oneida Lake - October 5th
Yankee Troller replied to Yankee Troller's topic in Walleye
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Wanted Wanted: 17-18.5’ aluminum boat
Yankee Troller replied to Mayb4's topic in Classifieds - Buy, Sell, Trade or Rent
We have this Tracker at Krenzer Marine, which is a little more than you're looking to spend, but it's worth a look. Price is negotiable. -
Ummm....let me think......an Atlantic program!
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Crazy lucky things that happened while trolling.
Yankee Troller replied to rolmops's topic in Open Lake Discussion
A handful of years ago we were trolling North up the Summerville Pier battling a double. Corner out and down gets smoked and we crack off the fish. We run 30lb flouro leaders off our j-plug harnesses and we got back about 10" of that leader. Landed the double and now were in 40' of water just North of the Genny piers. Diver gets smashed. We get that fish in and notice our j-plug harness across the back of this fish. He swam out to deeper water and ate a Moonshine. -
Sorry, I guess I didn't realize it wasn't for Salmon. These are just my opinions, but you won't catch me East of Sandy Creek after April. April-August Rochester and West July & August anywhere from Oswego West
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Determining Target Depth???
Yankee Troller replied to VanderLaan's topic in Questions About Trout & Salmon Trolling?
Start with putting your baits at the thermocline IF you're not marking fish. Once you start marking fish then move those baits into that range. When I'm putting out my 3 junk lines in the morning I'll see what the probe data suggest and put one above, at, and below the thermocline to start. -
for sale : usa Clamp-On Rod Holder - Horizontal (8)
Yankee Troller posted a topic in Classifieds - Buy, Sell, Trade or Rent
C.E. Smith Aluminum Clamp-On Rod Holder - Horizontal - 1.90" OD These rod holders feature a super strong 3/8" thick blade, rugged welded 1/3" tall gimbal bar, and a 1-5/8" inside diameter with a flared opening to make it easy to insert a rod in the holder. The taper liner and the addition of a rod security hole in the blade ensures that your valuable rods are protected. These retail for $120ea. I have eight (8) rod holders. $500 for all eight picked up in Rochester or Sodus. If shipping is required buyer pays shipping. -
My opinion is you're fishing in the worst part of the Lake for Salmon. Up there, you're better off targeting warm water species. As far as pressure of taking too many fish out of the lake. Think about it this way. Between NY and Ontario we put about 1 million Salmon in the lake each season. According to the data they collected with a 9yr tagging study natural reproduction is about 50% on average. So, with that said 2 million Salmon enter our system each Spring. 100 Salmon taken a day out of one harbor isn't putting a dent in it. If we were that good on the lake the trib fishery would be bad, and it never is.