pj
i've been running the vibrator flies alot on seneca lake and have good luck using them. i run then with the full leader provided. ive ran them clean off the ball, off dypsy and as a stacker. when i got a sample to try last yr and caught fish right off the back i was hooked on using them. i like how they roll and move side to side, never jitter because we dont want to confuse them with the piece of junk jitter fly.