LongLine

That’s absolutely correct about the coal plant…No one has suggested putting a coal plant IN the lake. However proponents always argue that offshore farms are better than coal plants. A coal plant in the lake is just as bad as turbines in the lake. Vestas & Siemens recommend the exclusion zones, not NYPA. NYPA has stated that exclusion zones will be up to other gov’t agencies, which won’t commit to anything until after they are built. Even without an exclusion zone wait & see what your boat insurance company does when they see another 150 or so navigation hazards out there. It’s interesting how proponents always try to drum up support using “apple data†in a discussion about oranges. Yes, part of the Upper Hudson River was dredged from May-Oct 2009. However, they used very special environmental dredges and put a lot of booms in place before they started. Fish consumption was an issue before dredging and will continue to be an issue for many years into the future. (Click on a few links on this site for details and pictures of it) http://www.epa.gov/hudson/ No one complained about the Hudson becoming “suddenly polluted†because it already was very polluted. Lake Ontario has been becoming progressively cleaner due to the run-off water laws and loss of industry plus environmental regulations. Mussels have also contributed by consuming some pollutants and keeping them on the bottom. Why risk disturbing all that? An NYPA rep was on Channel 8 the other night and said that “pollution is now something they may study.†They finally admit: All this time and money spent and they haven’t done their homework. How does the Hudson compare to Lake Ontario? Well, this site says they maintain a shipping channel in the Upper river (where they dredged for PCB’s in 2009) of 12 feet deep. It also says it has an outflow of 13.6k Cu ft/sec, yet is tidal and flow can reverse itself up to 4 times per day. It also says the majority of the water is used for industrial purposes. (Industrial & potable are different things) http://ny.water.usgs.gov/projects/hdsn/fctsht/su.html For anyone curious, the Niagara River has a one direction outflow of approx 202k Cu ft/sec. Yes – 2nd time you’ve used Apples in an Orange discussion. (and you call me a “politician†?) You say it hard to imagine things could get worse. Because you can’t imagine it, doesn’t mean it can’t get worse. It just means you can’t imagine it. (Obama thinks they can get a lot worse if the Republicans get their way, but republicans don’t think that.) As to the money issue mentioned: Yes, why should we jeopardize recreational boating/fishing as it has historically realizes a great financial return to the people of the area. Look at yourself being (pardon the expression) an “out-of-stater.†Will you continue to spend the same money here if anything happens to the fishery? I know you already tried to start a fishing tourney here, but would you do it again if anything happened to the fishery? Also regarding money and windfarm operations, I’m sure you’re aware of the interesting financials concerning Locust Ridge II which is not very far from you: http://republicanherald.com/news/wind-c ... s-1.222072 Iberdrola got over $50 million in cash 4 months after LRII was operational and are going to spend it other than in Pa. (They politically say “it’s re-imbursementâ€) That was in cash – not a tax credit. How about their perfect safety record: http://www.wind-watch.org/news/2009/05/ ... stigation/ How about their claims to provide local jobs? Rather than hire Pa people, they went out of state. http://republicanherald.com/news/iron-w ... Comment=60 Take it as you want. I for one am not buying their snake oil, their bridges, or their property on the moon. It’s an untested experiment in freshwater of tremendous scale with enormous risk that I am not willing to buy. Tom B. (LongLine)

Happy B-Day Ray. Whattheheck ...enjoy both days. (take Saturday too) Tom B. (LongLine)

just starting...keep it simple. Definitely get the best reels you can afford. (ones with the best drag) Pick up a few DW SS spoons. At least one green and at least one purple. Also look for a couple different brands of NBK's & 42nd's. (Northern Kings, Stingers, etc) Fishing should get a little bit easier for the rest of the season. Catch a fish first then go "blow a bundle." Don't worry about size of boat as long as you keep an eye on the weather, think safety and know how to handle your rig. BTW - welcome to the site. Tom B. (LongLine)

This will make a mess the great majority of the time. Tom B. (LongLine)

I knew there a big one out there. WTG. Tom B. (LongLine)

WTG. Glad it worked out for you. Hope it's nothing serious with the rig. Tom B. (LongLine)

. Those figures you refer to are how much is used. They are not how much exists. If that was all the supply that existed then the nation would be out of water in one day. There's a difference between the noun "supply" and the verb "supplies." An analogy is that my full 18 gal fuel tank supplies the 5 gals I use every Saturday. 5 gals per day is not my supply, my supply is 18 gal. I apologize for the typo, I left out the k. But you know: exactly how much freshwater there is really doesn't detract from the fact that turbine foundation & transmission line construction will dig up polluted sediments in well documented EPA Areas of Concern. There are a few states eyeing the lake water as their groundwater is inaccessible. BTW Shoremont “supplies†60 million gallons per day of drinking water out of that much greater “supply†of water to Monroe County. Tom B. (LongLine)

The cited USGS site says we used 262,000mgal/day from surface water & 84mgal/day from ground water. It doesn’t illustrate how much surface water there is or how much ground water there is. Most of the world’s freshwater is inaccessible hence we have so many states challenging the Great Lake states for water rights. Nowhere on the webpage cited is the number 75% used. 1st paragraph from the cited EPA source says “21 % of the world’s supply and 84% of North America’s supply.†(North America is bigger than the US) The quote you referred to, I made in the sticky on turbines is: Somehow you read the above statement as: I’d suggest you investigate remedial math, reading and geography classes before you accuse someone of “twisting facts.†It amazes me how turbine proponents read what they want, accuse others of twisting facts then beg out of the conversation when they’re shown their incorrect premises. But what the hey….It’s green, so it must be good, right? Just like algae, mold, rotted teeth, and mucus when you sick. Have a nice day. Tom B. (LongLine)

Not sure about the older ones...check the springs in the handles on newer ones. Tom B. (LongLine)

If you can't release them at the side, gently hold them head first into the current. Do not pull them back and forth. May take a few minutes, but great majority will swim away. Tom B. (LongLine)

Welcome to the site Husky. Looks like a lot of others are looking for the same info. I'd help ya if I could but I don't fish that area. I'd suggest you look back a dozen pages or so in the fish report section to see what was happening last year up there. Good luck, Tom B. (LongLine)

Marty - when you sense the fish is going to jump, ie he stays on the surface, get your rod tip down, Even in the water, but keep it bent. This will put a lot of your line in the water. The fish will have a hard time getting slack as he has to pull the bow in the line out first. If all your line is out of the water, it is very easy for a thrashing fish to get some slack. Tom B. (LongLine)

WTG Andy. If Jerry didn't point it out, that second pic is a wild one. Tom B. (LongLine)

WTG. My hat's off to you guys. Please be carefull out there. The little guys generally come up & fight near the surface, sometimes jumping, but the bigger ones will generally come up to the boat then dig right for the bottom. Tom B. (LongLine) ps. that king was stocked.

Dale, If you’re asking why there are so many little guys: 1. We had a short winter. I believe survival rate was high with this last stocking that used a couple more pens than past years. 2. Little guys eat little Alewives and their hatch was pretty good this year. (Older Alewives are not as plentiful as the younger ones.) Although there are some “homebodiesâ€, many Salmon often travel in east/west fashion not just in fall for their spawning run. I.e. little salmon will travel E-W gobbling little alewives, which are fairly close to shore, as they go. Bigger fish prefer bigger Alewives which are further out. 3. Lake has been changing. Water is clearer & nearshore is quite warm right now. Big fish are deep & currently being spotted 150+ft down. (Although they do go vertically to eat & will begin sniffing out their home rivers very soon – probably end of this week. If you catch one that is beginning to darken, it’s been in warm water.) 4. 2007 had the eye-up issue in the hatcheries, so central’s allotment was cut. (2008 stocking) I.e. more little guys than big guys right now. If you’re asking why I post pictures of little guys: I am very interested in the amount of Natural reproduction going on out there. Studies show it varies every year. I’m guessing this year is in the 35-40% range. HIH, Tom B. (LongLine)

I got 2 of them. Guess I'm special? Tom B. (LongLine)

What's wrong is that a guy is taking a picture of another guy taking a picture of a third guy pretending to be whizzing on the rigg'rs. Tom B. (LongLine)

Fishing Report: LongLine Launched at the river pretty early this morning: River temp cooking at 76F. Some clouds, slight SES wind so blew the oil out of the engine as I headed off Russell. (ie full throttle) Set up the rigg’rs in 120 FOW. 54F down 60 ft. Took a Northerly heading and worked out to 250 FOW then back in. Screen most active 180-200FOW. At 190FOW, 54F was 85 down. (interestingly…) Thermocline pretty thin. Couple fleas at the knot once in a while but nothing to speak off. Anyways – 12 for 16. 11 kings & 1 Brown. All small ones. Nothing bigger than 6 Lbs. All clean fish except the largest which had a nasty Lamprey wound. Brownie starting to darken up a little. Kings very feisty. Majority jumped at least once. (even with rod tip down) 2 naturals, rest clipped. Clean DWSS-purples, down 60-85, 15-20 ft back, 2.5 down speed. Direction didn’t matter. Off a little after 10. About 30 vehicles in lot. 14 with trailers. Luck to all, Tom B. (LongLine)

WTG Chris. We're going to have some tremendous fishing next year out there. oops...shhh...I didn't say that. Tom B. (LongLine)

Next time look at the dental records. Browns and Atlantics often look the same BUT the teeth structure on the roof of their mouths is so completely different that a blind man could tell them apart. Tom B (LongLine) ps. I vote Atlantic

AJ - welcome to the site. Check out the various sections, then ask away. Tom B. (LongLine)

WF - well said. Proponents often site singular aquatic studies but they obviously failed biology because there's a big difference between saltwater and freshwater aquatic life. Freshwater fish are much more dependent upon the nearshore environment. They also fail to consider the endangered species that we have such as the Great Lakes Sturgeon, American Eel and Atlantic Salmon, just to name a few. They also ignore what the USA Corps of Engs is trying to do in the Sanitary Canal. I.E. use pulsed DC to alter the migration path of the Asian carp. I have asked proponents what is the difference between USACE pulsed DC and the 0.5 to 3 Hz at 33,000 volts of turbine transmission lines. The only way I can describe their looks is "oops, this guy knows something about electro-magnetic force fields, induction and corona effects." Tom - You're too much of a gentleman. I would have used a heavy felt marker, signed my name followed by a not abbreviated "N.F.W." (Hopefully, they're not like drug dealers that use minors to sell their wares. But if they are, I would'a signed my name in chinese: Mr. No F.N. Wey.) Tom B. (LongLine)

Very nice Paul. Hope you have a seatbelt on when you get you 1st 20 Lb'r. Tom B. (LongLine)

Well, someone doubts the Great Lakes make up 95% of the nation’s freshwater supply - Check this out: http://gleams.altarum.org/glwatershed/glwatershed.html oops...who woud ever write that "rubbish"?...Listed contact person for the above article: Guess there's no use in my refering you to the USGS were they say that 97% of the world water is saline and only 3% is fresh, and that of that 3%, .9% is ground water & ice cap and that 87% of the remaining 2% is in lakes. As far as not being able to fish “that half mile areaâ€: According to the NYPA GLOW proposal, spacing between turbines is 2,100 ft. There’s 5,280 ft in a mile, last time I checked, so there’s considerably more than a “half mile†involved here, especially when you read further into GLOW and see that they want them in rectangular staggered arrays of 5 x 10 minimum. It's always amazing to me that proponents always read just a few posts and instantly label opposition viewpoints as "must be NIMBY syndrome", without checking out any referenced material. Want to discuss pollution? I suggest a quick google on "USEPA Areas of Concern - Great Lakes" before doing so. (Also read the morning's D&C on beach closings) Tom B. (LongLine)