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Like the others I've been running attractors behind the sharks with good results I think, ......I'm catching fish anyway . If anything I would think that more attraction is better especially in the deeper darker waters. Kinda like a peanut behind a laketroll.

I have been using 12# Sharks for the last few years without any issues. They are pricey but seem to fish good. Deepest I run them is about 120'-130'. I don't really buy all the manufactures hype about the fish attracting abilities they have but the Sharks track well and blow back is definitely better than balls & fish weights. Haven't run the torpedo's so no opinion on them. http://www.sharkcannonballs.com/superstore.html

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Ya, I hear you on the hope they make it.......... Also hope the lamprey's don't take a liking to them like they did the trout.

I fished last Sunday both sides around Long Point area. The fish I'm catching are getting progressively smaller . Went 14 for 16 with a mini slam. Couldn't get a legal salmon. Fished 40' down to 100'. Didn't try the upper water table. Surface temp stayed in the 64's everywhere I went. Weeds are about gone and fleas are minimal. Really didn't have much of a pattern going.

This article was in todays Binghamton Press..... Invasive fish found in Cayuga Lake Round Goby taking over spawning sites, harming native fish By Andrew Casler [email protected] ITHACA — Fish in Cayuga Lake have a new competitor, and that could mean a tougher time for anglers looking to catch sport fish. The round goby (pronounced Go-bee), an invasive fish species from Eurasia, has been found near Taughannock Falls State Park, according to DEC spokeswoman Lori Severino. The fish have also been found in Lake Erie and Lake Ontario and many of their tributaries; the St. Lawrence River; the western section of the barge canal; the Seneca and Oswego rivers; and Onondaga Lake. They’re suspected, but not yet confirmed, in Oneida Lake, Severino said. Gobies may prey on eggs of lake trout, sculpin and darters, according to www.nyis.info. The fish are also well-developed for feeding in murky waters, which may provide a competitive advantage over native species in Cayuga Lake. The gobies take over prime, nearshore spawning sites and aggressively prevent use by native species. They are prolific breeders, too, reproducing every 20 days during the spawning season. Long-term impacts of the fish are expected to include declines in native species populations, according to www.nyis.info. Severino said it’s not yet clear how many gobies are in the lake, but one recreational diver estimated that he saw two to four gobies per square meter in an area near Taughannock Falls State Park. “The source is believed to be reliable, and if this is correct, then a substantial population has established throughout the lake,†she said via e-mail. Randy Jackson, senior research associate at the Cornell University Biological Field Station, said the fish have natural predators in the United States, such as bass, walleye and double crested cormorants. Still, he said the predators have not done an effective job of controlling the goby. Jackson added that goby prey on invasive zebra and quagga mussels. Birds and fish that eat gobies can also get bioaccumulation of toxins because gobies feed on zebra mussels, which can carry toxins, according to www.nyis.info. Gobies grow to be about 6 to 8 inches, and the bottom-dwelling fish aren’t typically eaten by fishermen. “They are likely to be edible, but we are not aware of them being utilized for food,†Severino said. Gobies are an immediate problem for anglers. The fish are proficient bait thieves, and they’re considered a nuisance because they bite on bait typically used for panfish. “The biggest concern for anglers is that when gobies get to high density, the prey fish will have plenty of food to eat, and it might be harder to catch fish,†Jackson said. The round goby, a native of freshwater and marine waters of Eurasia — particularly the Black and Caspian seas and the Sea of Azov — was first seen in the Great Lakes Basin in 1990. They likely entered the Great Lakes through the ballast water discharged from trans-Atlantic cargo ships, Severino said. “They have been expanding their range ever since,†she said. The fish have moved eastward through the barge canal, and they likely came into Cayuga Lake from the Seneca River, Severino said. In July 2012, underwater cameraman David Brown told The Ithaca Journal that he had filmed goby in the Cayuga-Seneca Canal while working with the Finger Lakes Institute at Hobart and William Smith colleges. The round goby’s spread to all waters connected to the Great Lakes is likely, Severino said. She added that the use and possession of gobies as bait is prohibited, and the DEC asks anglers to follow state baitfish regulations. “There is no known way to control goby populations at this time,†Severino said.

Thanks Sean for the tip. Ordered some Friday from Amazon and got yesterday. Will give it try this weekend. If it works as good as you say I'll have about 2,000 yds of 20lb Flea Flicker left on a bulk spool taking up space on the shelf.

Manuals will be fine if you only fish a couple times a year otherwise get one electric for now and a dipsy' or two. You can add another electric next year.

It was more exciting with the 2 line rule. At least the DEC officer would stop and check me out several times a year. Sunday he just slowed down about 50 yds away, waved and left. Didn't even say, " good to see you again this year".

Fished the Long Point-north area Sat and was disappointed in what I produced. Caught lakers, salmon & 1 rainbow. Low numbers and no quality. Kept one small laker. Bow was just legal and still swimming. The salmon were the 16-17" ers. Like you the core was a waist of time. Finished my bag of cookies and went home.

Slim pickings for me also . Most that I'm getting are 80' to 110' down over 90' to 150' bottom. Spoons & flies depending on what they are in the mood for .