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Sodus info?
Finders Keepers replied to Pappy's topic in New York Fishing Reports - Lake Ontario (South Shore)
Decent screens in 120-140 fow today but not many wanted to play. Mainly spoons with a couple fly bites for us with others doing some on meat. 210-230 fow was another area that produced some bites for others, but very scattered. No derby fish for us today, but two tank steelhead in the mix pushing 10+ lbs that put on a great aerial show! -
I have since learned quite a bit about polygraph tests, how they are administered, and what they can and cannot be used for. I have also at the same time invested years into research and testing tournament designs that have led me to this year's Summer Classic and GLSS event designs. Trial and error, observation of other event flaws, listening to both the supporters and participants as well as the nay sayers of all the various events (open and hard water), have all been taken into account.
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It'll be interesting to see what the nay-sayers come up with for ways to cheat in this format. I have not disclosed all of the checks and balances that go on behind the scenes and within the App to verify fish entrees in an effort to catch those who wish to engage in foul play. Poly tests are not permissible in court and more of a deterrent. If there is a need for legal action we can take it, but in 9 years of running events, I have yet to have a need to issue any.
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New website has been created: glssevents.com It's time for a new class of events where there is no room for foul play due to a solid tourney design, and no corruption. Just straight out fun, competitive fishing - by yourself, with a team, or with different clients every day, all fish caught on a registered boat is eligible no matter who catches it!! Let's turn these crazy times into crazy fun fishing! Any questions? Drop me a PM and I'll be more than happy to answer them. Registration for these events will close on August 1st.
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Slow fishing. Clear cold water on the inside made the brown trout bite tough, you can get a few but it's real hit or miss and a total grind. Offshore the bite is a little more reliable, Top 50 ft, small spoons, mix of lakers, small kings, and coho, with an occasional 2-yr old king thrown in. Did 10 fish sat am, 8 sun am, 4 sun pm. Tried a bunch of FF combos but no takers, all on spoons: Carbon-14, various small red spoons, Koyote Ugly Dead Zombie II, and a few others took shots, no real pattern. Best screen was 240-260 fow.
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Got totally filled in with this last blow we had. Quite a bit of rock to remove.
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Presented this year, a brand new concept for salmon fishing tournaments where fish do not have to be kept and aligns with charters to capitalize on every fish caught by every angler aboard your vessel. Introducing the Great Lakes Salmon Showdown that not only covers Canadian and USA open waters of Lake Ontario, but all of the Great Lakes in one robust tournament event. Here is the breakdown: When: May 1st through October 31st, 24 hours a day Where: All open waters of the Great Lakes Who: 2 Divisions of Entry: Pro Division ($250/boat) for charters/guides, any anglers with fishing related sponsors, and anyone else looking to compete on a higher level. Am Division ($125/boat) for weekend anglers looking to add some fun competition to their season this year. When you register the boat, anyone fishing on that vessel is automatically included whereby any fish caught during any trip by anyone on board can be entered - this includes all of your clients during charters (no longer do you have to get them all entered in order to compete), and anglers fishing solo. What: Your 5 longest salmon (any species) will go towards your team's/boat's total score. Fish are entered via the Fish Donkey App using a bump board for length measurement. 4 pictures are required per entry (app automatically uploads them, adds them to your score, and updates the leaderboard in real time). Fish can then be kept or released. Up-size all season long, only your top-5 longest salmon will automatically be included in your score and rank. Close-up pictures of both the head and tail of each fish are required to prevent multiple entries with the same fish. How: Regster via the Fish Donkey App or online at FishDonkey.com. Payout: 85% cash payout based on number of teams entered in each Division, may be higher based on sponsor backing (15% goes to cover admin and tourney costs). Additional sponsor-based awards (TBA). Sponsors: Already secured: Okuma, Plano, Frabill, Koyote Ugly Spoons. Full details, rules & regs, and registration can be found at: Pro Division: https://tourney.fishdonkey.com/#/tournament/2287/details Am Division: https://tourney.fishdonkey.com/#/tournament/2564/details The Fish Donkey platform is a solid, tested tourney platform that many events are moving onto. While we realize many areas have different regulations currently governing fishing, this event will have open registration through July 31st so that once the restrictions are lifted and anglers can fish to their capacity (charters in particular), you can get registered and compete (boat/team must be entered the day before your fish can be entered). If other team events are allowed to occur this year, there is a special "Other Tourney" protocol in place so that no-communication rules can be adhered to and fish caught during these events can be entered. No longer do you need to stop fishing to run a fish in before the weigh-in stations close, no longer do you need to keep fish that you otherwise would not, no longer do you need to ask and get everyone on board entered. Better for the anglers, better for the fishery. Follow the event on Facebook for updates and announcements. This year we'll see what lake can produce the best Top-5 salmon scores!
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Just a reminder that I will be holding a special seminar tomorrow at 6pm at the Greater Niagara Fishing Expo to discuss and present the new tournament format/design specifically for Lake Ontario Charters and Tourney Boats. I'll go over the particulars and how it addresses the current problems faced, and then open up a discussion for captains and anglers to ask questions and probe the event for any shortfalls we may have missed. We will also be drawing for a free entry into the event from those in attendance valued around $250 pending input at the meeting. I hope to see many of you at the seminar and at the show this weekend!!
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The new Aqua-Vu Revolution-5 units are very good and compact. The reel on the back for the camera line is fantastic for deployment and fast retrieval versus the other units that you have to hand wind. However, the new cameras on the larger HD units are phenomenal with super clear images, but they cost more and are bulkier. Really depends on your budget and mode of fishing.
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If you missed out on your chance at a power auger or shelter in the early bird drawing, you can still get in for the 15 Days of Christmas Giveaway going on now through December 15th! Simply register for the Main Event or one of the new Online Classic Fish Donkey Events and you'll be entered - one entry per event entered. This year's event features several new sponsors, increased payouts, and the new online events that are species specific and done via cell phone app with the option for anglers to keep or release the fish! Check out all the details at: www.NYSwinterclassic.com
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The 2020 NYS Summer Classic Tournament will have a whole new feel with an additional event designed specifically for the Lake Ontario charter fleet and tourney boats in mind. Taking into consideration comments and suggestions from many charter captains and tourney teams last year, this new format will eliminate many of the gripes that have been expressed. The new format will allow for every fish taken aboard your boat to be eligible for entry regardless of who caught it - this means every charter you take out next summer from July 1st through August 31st could land you the winning catch! There will be no need for you to haggle your customers into entering - they will already be included and you can score some extra cash as a result too. This new format will also allow for catch and release - the fish do not have to be kept! The only snag right now is for those teams fishing in a non-communication event (pro-am's, open's and invitationals) as cell phones will be utilized for the 2020 SC Event, but we will be working on a fix for that this winter. How is this possible and is it a solid tourney platform? YES! Get all the details and join in the discussion for the event at the 2020 Greater Niagara Fishing & Outdoor Expo Saturday Evening January 18th at 6pm where we will unveil the tournament design, open the floor to inquiries, suggestions, general discussion about the event, what you would like to see for Grand Prize options and additional prizes, what to offer for entry options and what to set the entry fee(s) at - those in attendance will help set the stakes. If you are sponsored by companies not already involved with the Classic Events and would like to offer them additional exposure via sponsorship and/or via your participation - join the discussion and see what is possible through these events! Want a free entry? We will also be drawing from those in attendance for a free entry into the event (likely worth $250) - must be present to win! This is an invite for both charter captains and tourney teams to attend. Re-cap for the 2020 Summer Classic Event: *All customers on your charter are included: you are included, your mate is included, and anyone else fishing on your boat is included - it won't matter who catches the fish! *Runs from July 1st through August 31st, 24 hours every day - there's no cut-off times every day. *Ability for you to make some additional cash from your charters. *You can keep or release the fish. *Attend the tourney discussion seminar and have a voice in the final design of the event - one built by many anglers, for many anglers! I hope to see many of you at the seminar and throughout the rest of the Niagara Show!
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The Southern Tier Outdoor Show is this weekend (Sat 9-5, Sun 10-4). Get all the info at: http://www.southerntieroutdoorshow.com/ I'll have the new Plano Edge stowaway boxes on display to check out, Aqua-Vu cameras in the youth fishing pond, registrations for the 2020 NYS Winter Classic Fishing Tournament, free literature from my sponsors, and will be giving some seminars on fall fishing techniques for perch and walleye and offering demos of the Fillet Away Fish Mats! Stop on down and check it all out - youth anglers can score a free entry into the Winter Classic if they are one of the first 5 to catch a perch in the youth pond! STORE-Poster.pdf
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The 2020 NYS Winter Classic Tournament is ramping up as we approach the winter season! We're currently finalizing the sponsor line-up and special awards categories for the event this year - stay tuned for all the details and updates! Register early to get in on the early bird registration door prize drawings to score some new gear before the season starts: www.NYSwinterclassic.com
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So awesome to see the youth anglers getting involved - always one of the highlights for the Classic events! Final checks will be hitting the mail in the next couple days. Congrats to all the winners in this year's event including the five $2,000 Grand Prize winners!! Next year's event will feature a few changes that are sure to spark some interest and we'll have more cash on the line - stay tuned later this winter for all the details!
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The Summer Classic is underway! Get entered today to get in on the action alongside the LOC and other Lake Ontario events! Lots of cash to be given away this year thanks to our many sponsors for this summer's event!! Follow the event on Facebook for all the latest information and updates: https://www.facebook.com/NYSSummerClassic/ To register simply visit: www.NYSsumemrclassic.com Anglers can also register at most weigh-in locations. Keep in mind, if the lake is rough you can always hit the bay for some of the other species!! You can also enter the C&R Event for double the fun! Stay tuned for more announcements and updates throughout the summer!!
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New Cash Awards added (in addition to the general payout schedule) for the following: Main Event: $100 Cash Award - Largest Salmon Each Week (8 total)(Sponsored by Plano/Frabill) $500 Bonus Cash Award - 1st Place Salmon (Sponsored by Plano/Frabill) $400 Bonus Cash Award - 2nd Place Salmon (Sponsored by Plano/Frabill) $300 Bonus Cash Award - 3rd Place Salmon (Sponsored by Plano/Frabill) $100 Bonus Cash Award - 1st Place Walleye (Sponsored by Fillet Away) $100 Bonus Cash Award - 1st Place Yellow Perch (Sponsored by Fillet Away) $100 Bonus Cash Award - 1st Place Crappie (Sponsored by Fillet Away) $200 Bonus Cash Award - Largest fish caught on a Koyote Ugly Product (Sponsored by Koyote Ugly) Catch & Release Event: $250 Bonus Cash Award - 1st Place Largemouth Bass (Sponsored by Plano/Frabill) $250 Bonus Cash Award - 1st Place Smallmouth Bass (Sponsored by Plano/Frabill) $500 Cash Award - Overall Longest Muskey (w/ 250+ C&R anglers) PLUS Additional Prize Awards: (must be present at the awards ceremony Sept. 21st to win) (2) Frabill Power Catch Salmon Nets - Random draw from 4-10th place Salmon (2) Frabill Fish Weigh Bags w/ Mesh Inserts - 2nd Place Smallmouth & Largemouth Bass In an effort to boost payouts and make the event more attractive to current salmon and bass tournament anglers, we have packed the new sponsored funding into the prize structure as listed above. These along with the $10,000 Cash Grand Prize are all guaranteed to be awarded this year! Additional weigh-in stations are being added this year. More to come - stay tuned!!
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There's no belly aching here Vince, and I also think a lakewide cup should include both east and west end events. However, I would like to know how the cup is scored if my team (and many others who have wondered) are going to enter into the race. So I am asking, what is the scoring system by which this coveted cup is scored by? I also feel Matt does a great job orchestrating the Sodus Pro-Am, however with regards to the cup, I know of no other event whereby the players aren't privy 100% to how the competition is scored before they enter, and since registration is this Thu I am asking now...
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Dex - The Great Lakes Special Events Cups are scored on a similar system with extra points generated for larger fields and placing in the top-3. However they have it all laid out so there are no questions. The current Lake Ontario Challenge Cup scoring system is not. It would also be nice to see the point spreads before and after each event, as well as the full scoring system.
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Speaking with several teams in it last year (and some who were not), the "unique scoring system" was questioned without much resolve other than being told "it is a complicated scoring system based on number of variables", but it was never shared. I think this needs to be clarified, or better yet changed to a more simple scoring system like most other series events. I'm usually not one to complain and love to compete against the best on the lake, but it needs to be fair and clearly laid out for the competing teams. Last year we all thought we knew who the contenders were going into the Sodus event and then out of the blue another team (that didn't even weigh-in for one of the days in the Niagara Pro-Am and placed near last in that event) took the award leaving many unanswered questions and a sour taste for some teams since the scoring system was not disclosed from the start nor once questioned at the end. Based on the results last year I believe the weighting of some of the variables are unbalanced/incorrectly weighed and should be reviewed, otherwise go to a straight scoring system that is easy for everyone to understand and doesn't leave room for questionable results.
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As stated above, entrees in tourneys for the most part have seen a decline over the last few years, and not only trout and salmon either, it's across the board. To answer why that is for the Lake Ontario events I think involves many factors - many previous teams have broken up, cost of living has gone up, cost of this sport has gone up, the high water isn't helping matters this year, etc. - I know if I had a larger boat like a lot of the teams and had to travel across the lake to an event I would be very hesitant this year with the amount of large debris in the water. However, I think economics is the largest driving factor. While I agree with Rick that the amazing fishing we have seen the last few years may make anglers lazy (I wouldn't say dumb) you still have to pay attention to the details and adjust your strategy to target the larger fish or else end up in the middle of the pack. Plus there is always that element of luck whereby you happen upon a larger school of kings and get them to go. Consistency is what highlights skill in the tourney realm - those who consistently place in the Top-10 from season to season. The best way to become a better angler is to learn from your own and others mistakes, pay attention to details (no matter how small), and keep records to refer back to and to look over in preparation. Most of us have had a crushfest day while other struggled to get bit (or vice versa) even though your running the same stuff side by side - the difference is often in minute details like type or test of line, leader length, size of spoon, treble hooks versus single hooks, clip size, etc. etc. etc. Ask those that do well in an event what gave them the edge - most anglers realize that each day is different and will give you an honest answer. This past weekend we succeeded in waters where others struggled and it came down to several key details that we had dialed in the day before: spoon color and size (Carbon-14 & Defender, mags and Stingrays), rigger depth and separation (65 and 85), presentation (12 ft leads off the balls with fixed free sliders 12 ft above), down speed (2.4 early, 2.2 later), tracking of the bait/fish (progressed east), and most importantly the willingness to adjust these as the fish and water conditions changed based on previous experience (when the wind and waves picked up we lengthened the leads off the riggers to 25 ft).
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Walleye opener!!!!! Who going where?!
Finders Keepers replied to baitballin86's topic in Open Lake Discussion
Heading to Oneida for the season opener there! Can't wait to rip some raps and sonars!!