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Another run of shirts were sent out today Mostly Canadian 3/4 of them Just a note: If your shirts ordered were included in a multiple order they have not shipped out (if you ordered more than one shirt, or if your order was accompanied by an online order) We presently cleared our first run of shirts, more coming in any day we hope A little over 200 to go so please bare with me (: Tom

Maverick, Concerning Oswego: Dave Turner does one hell of a job taking into consideration he new very little concerned with Lake Ontario and our tournament scene. He has come around quite well and quite fast considering the tremendous learning curve associated with what the rest of us have taken years to achieve. I give Dave credit for his energy and strong interest. However, as he stepped in (in any light you wish to characterize it as) and unification was "adopted" there wasn't a whole lot of say given to us as players to the Oswego event for our dedication behind many many years. Many of us same players that did very well by the "now claimed non enforceable rule" that enjoyed our Oswego event under closed communication do not have that same option, our over-whelming opinions do not matter. Open Communication was never part of any rule as you state in Oswego !! Tom

Tom C'mon dude We want our strips lol just kidding, new product looks great, we have taken fish on it already !!! Tom

Yvan, I do not believe you will be roasted, well not for this anyway He He He (: The response from opposition has been welcomed, a majority has simply spoke out in favor of "No Communication" It is what a higher number of boats want, considerably higher I might add, boats would gladly not communicate if it was a rule, but I am one to agree with the same majority, if others are going to communicate so are we. I do feel communication is an asset when that is the rule, each team who has ever won an event has pretty much proven that under an open communication policy. In retrospect, concerning one of the teams I frequently fish with, I can tally the percentage of successfullness during No Communication events and see clearly we did better One note while I was taking a valid poll from Oswego boats only, this to communicate or not to communicate, I stated if your vote was not to communicate I would not question you otherwise. I would simply take your vote, tally it up and leave it at that. In response to your roasting worry, I believe that to be an invalid reason why nobody has spoke out I can prove by my tally I had one single boat speak up, contact me and say Tom, I am all for open communication, there name has never been mentioned, I have respected their vote Good luck to KOTL Yvan, I hope to be there !!!! Tom

In response to what answers have come from the coordination's side, Bob C was mentioned but this info came from Bill Hilts This is a copy and paste from my FB group These were his concerns with going No Communication: Closed/open communication does not make a difference, all teams still need to catch fish The non-enforcement issue, all compounded by how advanced our age of communications has come – cell phone, blackberries, wireless internet, texting, instant messaging It’s better to have everyone on a level playing field rather than having teams willing to bend the rules in their favor giving them a perceived advantage There has always been a chance to have a communications company as a potential sponsor. We actually had Verizon as a sponsor one year, with the hopes that they would be coming back in a bigger way --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I opted this out of dialog, in full enclosed here http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=2 ... 438&ref=nf Tom

To address a few questions: Shade: The Oswego event ran very well with a No Communication policy for over 10 years before unification, there was never a reason to change it, it can not really be said that the rule did not work as you have quoted, it was changed without giving Oswego coordination a say in the matter. It ran very well for years under no communication, this to a field of 78 teams. The reason I have spearheaded this attempt to close communication "again" has several bearings: I will also reiterate a few key points: --Our Oswego event has been reduced of players since unification due to this rule mainly and other rule changes as well, there will be more that drop as has been threatened and the chances of lost teams to be re-gained is minimal if not zero --As an individual who follows these events and who participates, as a sponsor to many additional teams who also partake in these events, as well as sponsoring the events to make them more healthy and look attractive to the players I feel the majority should be heard and respected. --In respect to those who have helped put A-TOM-MIK on the map I felt the need for a further campaign to give respect back, this when asked, "Tom, your a sponsor, they won't listen to me, maybe they will listen to you?" --To maintain a vibrant little business in the tackle world is not easy, these events are huge for our success. Longevity is key, we want these events to be around forever, they are not going to be under coordination that will not lend an ear to its players. --This may seem like only a hurdle or a minor bump in the road to some. I feel coordination (from all Pro/Am events) as it stands today in general are looked up to, and respected, it is realized about the work being done behind the scenes, to date it seems pretty good. What happens when the general consensus does not feel that way anymore, what happens when we stop appreciating the work being done because we felt coordination was not willing to listen to our needs and/or wants. Only speculation at this point but from a more personal standpoint I can honestly say as much as I have kept A-TOM-MIK on the table come Pro/Am time, I feel I will be re-thinking future promotion due to a non-respected feeling in return. --The players should be respected to within a certain boundary, we can not make everyone happy we all know. We could satisfy many of the contributors from all ends with a no communication event. Votes have been noted on several occasions, a majority has been set in place. --One key issue that has been over-looked here, open communication has brought out the worse in us, concealing info from some, then giving it to others, friendships have been lost, who can trust who gathering info. No names mentioned but in one event with open communication false info was given, a boat picked up and ran to what they thought was the promise-land, only to find a vacant waste-land of fish after a some-odd mile ride. Closed communication will create a void in info that is being used against us at times. --Another reason I have kept this campaign in our thoughts longer is due to input from the many green-horns I deal with yearly, on many an occasion I heard comments like, "There is no way I could ever fish a Pro/Am, I don't have enough friends." ....C'mon, this should not be the feeling being portrayed here, we should want to hone our skills then see where we rank amongst our friends and the local hot shots port to port, this doing it ourselves, isn't that what competition is all about? I could go on but will leave it at that for now, gotta run Hope I answered all your questions http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=2 ... 438&ref=nf Tom

Howie Just to clarify much of what I have mentioned before Oswego has shouldered the hit for the unification of rules suggested and interpreted through west end coordination Oswego has never wanted open communication from the beginning, we were never given a choice or a say, never even offered a sniff of suggestion concerned with such It was forced upon us overnight and was left for us to deal with, after no communication from inception, this with us left picking up the scraps from our event, following only to those teams who were willing to "simply fish these events no matter how being taken for granted" other teams packed their bags and left, this after many years of following to the Oswego Pro/Am I do agree with other comments you have to say Howie. The KOTL is what it is and is a much different type of format/tourney Personally speaking I like the variations offered from other type events, KOTL, the LOC etc. My only concern is with communication, I am sure many others disagree, the burden on coordination can be intense at times, often dealing with a 50/50 in difference of opinions, closed communication has never been any thing other than that of an over-whelming majority vote, held back by the minority vote, and I do mean minority Closed communication would be welcomed by a huge majority, if not I would have never opted the A-TOM-MIK name be put on the line for reversal of this single rule. I am unsure of your E Mail, I apologize, please drop me another and I will take care of you Tom

Guess we were on the same page Rod A lot rested on the input I confronted Dave with over gathered evidence and input from well over 30 valid teams over the course of a measurable amount of time I cant say that I have given up yet, but for the over-whelming majority to be handed a blind side look is unfortunate. Simply stated the committee would let sponsors like Pete Alex (Alex Roofing), Dreamweaver and A-TOM-MIK walk away and fade into the dusk, this to continue the honor of what 1 man wants and a few of his friends. Much confidence has been yielded upon me so I can't throw certain names around, but behind the back of the strangle-hold coordination most can't understand either why communication continues to be open. I heard an awful lot of, "If it were up to me...... " lol As Rod said the work behind the scenes is a measurable task that us players DO NO take for granted, to be taken for granted in return is sad. These Pro/Am's are a great draw to many variables, looked forward to and expected to always be here, I personally would only be hurting them if a few of our sponsorship friends were to withdraw. I know I sleep good at night with decisions I make on a daily basis, I am not so sure others can say the same. I respect the commitment of other sponsorships to the Pro/Am's and wouldn't lower myself to prompt a withdraw action, thus only hurting the Pro/Am's in the short-term. We have lost players in our Oswego area due to unification, especially opening communication, players we will never get back, we will also more as time passes by unfortunately. To feel un-appreciated as a player and to bail will most times over-rule the draw for continued participation, this is where some stand in Oswego. Tom

Not really a joking matter Ray I do applaud your energy, but our goal is to bring the constant awareness to the committee that there is a majority of teams who are being taken for granted The coordination must honestly feel we will always be here, no matter how we are treated Taking longtime sponsors and players for granted will only take away from the hard work that is actually being done by coordination Tom

Update: This is a copy and paste from my T-Shirt thread The 1st 144 shirts have been shipped, no certain order so bare with me, only several gross left to go guys, he he he I was thinking of a 2nd run of shirts, sort of over-kill and only a thought at this point, plus I may go broke doing so But I was thinking of adding "Lets go No Communication Pro/Ams" across the back ?? Any thoughts ???? Only an idea as the chances of me winning this race is ever-so slim I may pull out of my future sponsorships to the Pro/Ams and just buy these few hundred shirts as a reminder Responses, E Mails and PM's welcome fellow anglers, or simply respond here If I would have thought in time I would of already had close to 500 shirts on their way, I didn't think fast enough As I lose the race it would of been a constant reminder where the hearts of the over-whelming majority stand !! If this is something I carry out these shirts will be free to all that received a shirt for my A-TOM-MIK deal going on, this upon request (Upon request so I don't give shirts away to the 3% of anglers who are against closed communication, lmao) I figure the several grand I offer up to the Pro/Am's would be much more appreciated going to those who have followed me through my chase Tom

To anyone who wants to send a check, please do so, n/p seeing as though several dozen + already have, lol (: The 1st 144 shirts have been shipped, no certain order so bare with me, only several gross left to go guys !! OMG !!

Attempted progress has started to roll again in following our original "No Communication" post from a few months back: I have created a Facebook Group in support of "No Communication" East end events I can see the interest and input becoming heated so to say, I would hope we could interpret our strong feelings into generally mannered input Check it out: http://www.facebook.com/home.php?filter ... 438&ref=nf or search No Communication East End Pro/Am's 2010 I will follow up shortly with exactly where we stand in our attempt to date Tom

WOW, never thought I would need soooooooo.... many shirts Thanks to everyone for your interest !!!! As this thread fades in the days ahead with more important topics, we will honor all requests, just an FYI Over 400 shirts to date THANK YOU SO MUCH All shirt orders will be honored for the image hosting contest !! Tom

Plaid will look great !!! FYI For those who receive internet/online orders without receiving their T Shirts, your T shirts will follow: Trying not to get behind so we are sending website orders daily TYVM Tom

Anything for you Del Just ask bud

Wow lots of big lake guys around even when its stone cold Update: All orders placed up until today (for XL and 2XL) will ship out starting early January, we sold out of these 2 sizes I promise all orders will be honored, I just need to get more of these sizes for now. Many, many, many, healthy (like me) big lake anglers around Must be too much of this going on

Let the American/Canadian rivalry begin (friendly rivalry that is) Shirts ordered Canadian 214 American 228

Nope wasn't Ray It was Billy V Billy's a great guy he loves his A-TOM-MIK gear !!! Tom

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Thanks all Had a few ask what the logo looked like out of curiosity The background is obv. the grey shirt Also please do not worry, a few anglers said what if we run out? I noted "while quantities last" ( Don't worry I will buy more, I Love you guys (: ) Can't resist to add this I also had an angler mention it might be a bad idea to add the same logo on front as back, he was worried about putting his shirt on backwards Needless to say I will be looking very closely to images as they roll in during the season, this to see if someone has their shirt on backwards He He He He Tom

You can add all info in pay pal shipping name & address and size TYVM Tom

Get em in anglers The end is approaching http://www.atommiktrollingflies.com/photo_contest.htm Tom Sport Grey 2-Tone A-TOM-MIK Logo front and back Gildan wear/pre-shrunk Adult Sizes S-4X While qts last (We have 300) 1 Free per request/ shipping 5.95/ea. to US & 8.95 to Canada Also receive 1 free (blue glow hammer fly body) per order Orders will start shipping after Christmas Shipping payment only through PayPal PayPal to [email protected] Also please keep in mind A-TOM-MIK will hold a picture contest for everyone who received a shirt Rules include taking an image while on the water holding your catch (whatever that may be) with your new/or an A-TOM-MIK shirt on Images can be sent via e mail to [email protected] for consideration, no hard copies sent snail please A-TOM-MIK will reserve the right to use images as we wish (on A-TOM-MIK site) No certain sizes, species etc apply, 1 image per entry Prize in mid August to be determined by young "Tom and Mik" $500 A-TOM-MIK internet shopping spree at sugg. retail prices Winner last year Deryk H. from Ont. Can. "Big D" TYVM to all who run our product Merry Christmas & Happy New Year Tom Updated prize structure TYVM Prizes as follows: 1st) $500 shopping spree via A-TOM-MIK site 2nd) $200 shopping spree via A-TOM-MK site 3rd) $100 shopping spree via A-TOM-MIK site 4th) $75 shopping spree via A-TOM-MIK site 5th) $50 shopping spree via A-TOM-MIK site

39 He He He Again !!!! 24 years spending time on the big pond and still can never get enough, winters are only getting slower while summers scream on by now days DAM !! Is there a law or something as to how many times you can be 29, 39, 49 etc. ? ? ? 02/06/69 Tom

Yeah we all lost money, had several fish we never got paid for as well Sucks but to cry over spilled milk is only going to take away from a new event, such is life From the small article I read it was either $30/day or $100 for the season, very limited info but hey just the hope is a nice thought Tom

Well when I was notified I figured the word must have been around, so I checked all my favorite internet spots that I haven't checked lately and couldn't find a word. But lets hope its true A new site http://www.payeverydayderby.com is suppose to be under construction (and of course I just checked as I am typing this (duh) and there is in fact a site started Bob Fisher of Brockport is suppose to be heading the gig He is a friend of Dick Schleyer from way back in the early ESLO days I got note to call if you have any questions 1-585-637-8216 I think his phone-line may just get tied up pretty soon He He He He Info came to me via the Crazy B itch via Rob Sherwood via Bill Hilts Tom