Rod let the moths out on this one ,Siggs flys are of great quality ,the green hyp is a goto fly that is always getting some down time behind my boat.Just dont tell anyone..Hello any idea where i can get them ,hmmm nkflys NO, atomic flys NO,Big weenie NO,Boy rod you got some great questions there specially when talking to SIGG himself ,maybe he could help. Hope This Helps Ray K.