I see Brunswick bought Navico in 2021/2022. Like I stated in my post the 2nd simrad I bought was somewhere over 10 or so years ago I believe was an AP21. They were not the same as Lowrance. I also said I'm not sure about now but thanks for the info. I had a Simrad AP12 when Navico bought Simrad and they discontinued that model. Shame because it was a good, accurate, reliable low cost unit that I ran for a good number of years on my 25" Wellcraft with an outboard and kicker.