Thanks vince and rob. I might bust a move before spring rob, but thanks for offer. Maybe next meeting bring your okuma rods. What length are you guys running? I am thinking 7.5 till paddle time then have the 8 for that. The glt i had felt in the 7.5 would bend right over on a salmon, but i am ok with that. I have been using the 8.3 ugly stiks for ever for everything.