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Gobies.. The lake is infested with them these days, and from what I understand, all the predators are eating them.. Might change the habits of lakers a bit, not being forced to stay close to the alewives.. I also wonder if the lakers might taste better as time goes on, as they will be eating less of those little oily Alewives... bob
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Honestly, start using jigs.. Dirt cheap, and even on a slow day you'll get a few fish if you fish the marks.. On a good day, you might hook 2 dozen or more, all using a one handed bass sized rod 10 pound test... Few weeks ago an old timer that knew his stuff showed me some pics of his impressive catches... When he showed me his rig, I lost all interest.. A tuna rod as thick around as a cue stick, and a window sash weight at the business end of his meat rig.. He told me he was a meat fisherman, and didn't care about the sporting aspect that much, he just wanted fish flesh and lots of it. Thats all good i suppose, but I prefer a bit lighter and less troublesome type of fishing experience.. If gang hooks with salted sawbellies, , cowbells,wire dipseys, meat rigs, electric downriggers, live sawbellies etc, are mandatory for catching FL trout, I will get a bobber and worm and fish for bluegills, it would be a lot more fun... bob
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I agree with our friend Hermit.. In 25 years of jigging Lakers i have caught 2 with plastics in the gut.. One swallowed a plastic worm, and one with a huge paddle tail swim grub. both from Seneca . These lures do NOT get torn off very often.. lakers don't nibble on the tail of a jig, they swallow them whole.. In my uneducated opinion, these lures were tossed after get scarred up, or replaced with a different color, or size.. Please, if you jig, take the discarded plastics off in the boat, and do not toss them overboard.. Lakers will snap them up... Obviously, they won't kill the fish, but I bet they don't do it much good either... bob
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Don't forget, Walleye is closed...They are spawning right now, and personally, I would leave them be, but whatever... Their numbers in the river seem to be declining for the past several years...
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I am not speaking of the past week or so, before the season closed.. More along the lines of thinking historically.. I moved to Candor from NJ in 1991, and started fishing the river then.. Honestly I knew nothing about Walleyes, being a salt water guy.. However, it was NO problem for many years getting a couple keepers and a dozen shorts on any evening I decided to go in the spring and fall into winter, and I knew nothing about the river... many nights I would keep a couple, or one, or none, and then start releasing nice fish because I knew they would always be there.. no problem for years.. If it was slow on fri night, saturday would make up for it.. I think around 2011 or so, I really started noticing the changes.. Lot fewer spikes, and many nights without a hit, not only for myself, but for every one of the other "locals".. I am no expert of course, just a guy that likes catching Walleyes on small plastic jigs, but It seems to me I noticed the downturn in numbers after the big floods we had, first in 2006, and then after the 2011 event , it was much worse... Who knows??.. I am not gloom and doom.. Maybe in 8 weeks we will have the best spring river walleye fishing we have seen in 25 years.. We can only hope.... bob
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Its only my opinion, but something seems amiss in the S River.. The walleyes are there, but past few seasons, I have caught a lot less fish, in a lot more time.. I talk to a lot of fishermen in the stretch from Owego down to Barton, and the story is always the same.. Just not seeing the numbers we used to.. Seeing a lot fewer fishermen as well past 2-3 years.. The thing that worries me the most is the lack of small "spike" walleyes, less than about 10 inches.. I used to catch dozens of them some days... Got sick of looking at them.. Past 2 years i don't think I have seen more than maybe 2 or 3... maybe I'm all wet, and just going on the wrong days, or losing my modest angling skills, but boy, I used to catch 4 times the walleye I do nowadays.. past couple years have been pretty tough, and if I get 1 or 2 in an early evening till dusk session or at dawn till 8 am, I consider it a good trip... Lots of skunks for myself and those around me past few years... Water looks fine, don't know what happened.. If anything... bob
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Fresh water fishing pales in comparison to salt water... Stripers grow as big as Great Lakes salmon, and you don't need to troll for them..Jigging in 30 fow works fine, and they are very abundant,, Blues too.. You can catch them right from shore by the multiple dozen on a good morning tide, and nothing in fresh water comes close to the brutal fight they put up.. A 10 pound blue will snap 20 lb test if your drag is too tight.. I don't miss living in nj really.. I DO miss the ocean, bays and tidal rivers though.. We have some good fishing here, but once you fish salt water for a while, you realize the mis match between fresh and salt species.. Salt water fish are bigger, stronger, faster, more abundant, much better eating, and easier to catch than their sweet water counterparts... bob
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use alternative baits such as shrimp, minnows, [dead or alive] and especially crayfish or leeches... Worms are good , but the sunnies tear them apart.. Crayfish and minnows are deadly on bullheads, but almost no one uses them...
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question about trolling plugs w/downriggers
bulletbob replied to bulletbob's topic in Finger Lakes Discussion
If you guys would be so kind to answer a few more questions.... How about color choices in lets say the 25-50 foot range?.. After the fleas get fierce, I won't be doing any trolling.. In mid summer I typically jig for lakers, maybe fish shallow water for perch, smallmouths, sunnies etc, or often just fish salt water. So most of my trolling would be in water under 50-60 feet. [ I have good color fish finders that can show me where to start as far as lure depth].. When l fish Cayuga there always seemed to be good numbers of fish under 60 feet all summer actually. Close to the sawbellies f course. Are basic colors effective?.. Silver/Black, Gold, Chartreuse, Shad colors etc..?.. Also would appreciate a few "getting started" colors and sizes for spoons.. I have some, but most are probably beat, perhaps I can apply some prism tape, or buy a half dozen proven colors, its no biggie.. I just don't want a bunch of stuff laying around thats only useful under very unusual water/weather conditions that I wouldn't understand anyway. Really just want to give myself a little better chance at catching a few silver fish this year as an option to laker jigging.. If I won't be fishing deeper that say 60 feet, how light a ball can I use?.. 6 pounds?/.. lighter?... I suck at trolling, please bear with me.!... bob -
First off, I am NOT much of a troller.. Never was, never will be probably, but I want to learn a little about it.. I bought 2 like new Canon mini downriggers at a yard sale for $1 each last year.. I really have no interest in trolling any deeper than about 50 feet or so. I typically jig in deep water say 70+ feet.. I can figure out the riggers/releases etc, but I am not really set up right now with trolling spoons.. I had boxes full of them in every color and style, and swapped most of them for salt water gear.. Over the years I have caught some nice browns and landlocks on flat lines in shallow water, in spring, which to me is more fun than deep trolling.. I have always used various stickbaits, and have had some success over the years.. I can scare up a few trolling spoons , but the variety is pretty overwhelming.. I may ask for a few pointers for a half dozen "essentials" later on as the time gets closer.. Right now my question is this.. Are the stickbaits I have used in the past at Cayuga for salmon and browns in water under 20 feet an effective lure when trolled say at 40-50 feet when the "silver fish" start going deeper in June??.. I always see guys in the reports talking about the hot new spoons they used and cleaned up with, but never see guys say.. "we killed them on a Silver/black Rapalas ".. Do these very effective shallow water trolling plugs suddenly become worthless when using downriggers??... I have them by the hundreds in every color and size, but if they don't catch fish when deep trolled, I will have to do what everyone else does, and learn how to choose and use trolling spoons.. Any thoughts would be appreciated... bob
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I am the process of buying a couple of lots of old Ocean City reels.. They should be here in a week or so..There are only a few I want but I am buying lots of 4 and 5 to get the 4 smaller reels would like.. I will have at least 4 good size old reels to sell, perhaps 5.. Ocean City reels were made in USA in Philly, and are of superlative high quality, as good or better than Penn reels.. I have several, they are ancient, get brutalized, and work as smooth and quiet as brand new, after decades of abuse...These would be great reels for meat rigging or lead core if you don't need high speed...They will be disassembled, cleaned, oiled/greased, and ready to fish shortly after I get them, and will be up and running 100% before I hand them off to any member here.. If they aren't working PERFECTLY, I will simply keep them as parts reels, otherwise I will ask $5 each for them.. If you can use them, email me, and I will hold them for the first responder. Give me a while to get them cleaned up, maybe a week or so after I get them here, and we can complete the transaction.. I need NO money up front of course.. A simple "I'll take them" gets them .. I am in Ithaca so keep in mind, there maybe be shipping if you don't want to do any driving.. bob [email protected]
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For Sale : USA Penn 309 Super Peer Levelwind reel
bulletbob replied to bulletbob's topic in Classifieds - Buy, Sell, Trade or Rent
guys.. I do not have a PP account... If travel is that much of a problem, I would hold the reel for the first "yes" until we can meet sometime.. I work in Ithaca and would drive it a ways up say to Trumansburg or so... For $20 this reel is a fantastic deal.. Its in great shape, and its not a MIC reissue -
For Sale : USA Penn 309 Super Peer Levelwind reel
bulletbob replied to bulletbob's topic in Classifieds - Buy, Sell, Trade or Rent
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In simply great shape.. Never used in salt water.. red side plates.. Meticulously maintained.. Everything is clean and shiny, and operates as new.. These are good ultra heavy duty trolling reels, unless you want hi speed, ultra high tech.. This reel will outlast your grandchildren... $30 shipped, or $20 if you want to come and get it... bob 607-659-5334
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Yes I have heard that exact same BS answer from the DEC... Years ago Cayuga lake was covered with 100's of thousands of dead fish of evey species.. The entire lake.. I was an eyewitness and could not believe my eyes... The crew at Taugahannock State Park used a bucket loader to pick the piles of dead fish off the beaches and shoreline.. When I called the DEC, they said "stress and changing water temps".. Thats the stock answer... bob
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I would not even attempt to smoke them.. The cats from the Susquehanna are borderline inedible as far as I am concerned... Yes you could soak the fillets in milk or salted water for a few days I guess, but if I need to do that to a fish to choke it down, I just let it go alive- back where it belongs.. I fish the river as well, and the only fish that are good eating are the Walleyes and the Rock Bass when the water is cold... Perch in there are good as well, but we don't see many perch in the NY section.. Cats?.. Never again for me.. they are just nasty... bob
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Runs good, starts right up, and is cosmetically decent, just some normal paint wear on the cover.. Has onboard tank.. Just replaced water pump, took onboard fuel tank and carb off and cleaned them out.. Runs very strong.. it would always plane a 14 footer with me alone in it... Needs a choke pull handle which broke off, but I put a piece of wire on it which works just as well.. Pumps lots of water, has good compression, strong spark, and has no issues... $100 FIRM... I live in Candor in Tioga County. PLEASE,PLEASE don't call and ask me if I can take it to you up in rochester or buffalo.. I get these types of replies all the time on this forum.. I would prefer the buyer to come down, look it over. and hear it run.. If you don't care to see it run, I could take it to Ithaca and meet up... If you can't make an hours drive, this is probably the wrong motor.... In any case, there aren't that many good running outboards that are ready to use for $100.. This is a nice deal for someone that can use a small outboard.. I was using as emergency power in all 3 of my boats, an 18 footer, a 15 footer and a 14 footer.. I am simply moving up to a 4 hp, thats the only reason I am selling it.. bob 607-659-5334
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1970's.. Was running perfect until I left it out for several months with gas in the small onboard tank.. Got water and crap in the tank, and it has become balky starting and running.. It just needs the tank and carb cleaned out. It has GOOD spark and compression!. It has a new water pump installed the end of last year, less than 1 hr use on it...Motor is pretty clean for its age, just needs a few plastic knobs replaced.. I have decided to go to a 4 HP motor as a backup.. This little 2 hp, used to plane a 14 foot aluminum boat with just me in it.. price is FIRM at $85... Bob 607-659-5334
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Sounds logical, but IMHO, the Walleyes would do what the other predators in cayuga Lake do.. They would key on the Sawbellies, and would act like the trout do... Suspend in 100 fow of water, over 250 fow, following schools of alewives, and being caught mostly by guys with downriggers.. The few Walleyes I have seen in cayuga were massive.. The same size and shape as big carp.. Guarantee they eat pretty much nothing but alewives.. Sadly, they wouldn't eat near enough Gobies to make a dent.. bob
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I am not as optimistic as you guys are.. I did some fishing a few times mid lake this year with worms for perch... 95% of what I caught was gobies.. Even aggressive sunfish could not compete with the hordes of gobies i saw in near shore dock/weed areas.. They were in massive schools that swarmed all over anything that was near the bottom.. It was impossible to fish with worms, and even small jigs were attacked viciously as soon as it hit bottom by huge swarms of those repulsive things.. They seem to outcompete our native panfish in numbers and aggressiveness.. I fear for the ability of nearshore species to defend nests from these mini monsters.. They are very aggressive, pretty fast, have huge numbers from what I have observed, and are noted nest raiders.. Time will tell I guess, but to my uneducated eyes, it doesn't look good.. I hope I am wrong... bob
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I haven't measured the cables, but they were on a 14 footer with side console... I can't say if this kit would work on a Force.. It is a Merc kit, and was ON a 9.8 Merc tiller and worked fine, thats all i realy know. Can't promise the conversion wil work on a Force, but the controls will with the right cables.... these tiller to remote conversion kits are a tiny handful of parts, but cost hundreds of dollars for some reason... bob
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This control came of a 14 foot side console Grumman.. It was a 9.8 Merc tiller, but had teleflex steering and remote controls via a Merc remote kit installed along with this very nice single lever merc/Quicksilver controls.. These controls with this tiller/remote conversion kit cost a FORTUNE, as I had priced them in the past.. The control will work fine as they are on any regular Merc outboard, but this was a pull start engine and the only wiring to this set of controls is a kill switch. For remote start you would need the correct harness... The controls are in very good shape, and are priced dirt cheap.. I see used ones all the time on ebay for $150 plus shipping.. I think these are from the 80's or so.. Also throwing in a good Merc?Quicksilver 3 gallon gas can.. No issues, metal, and very clean inside,NO rust.. used this year.. I take the squeeze bulb, otherwise comes with hoses and engine adapter... $25 if you can use it, I put a larger Johnson motor and controls on the boat, and don't need the merc stuff. call bob.. 607-659-5334