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I have looked at the Seaswirl boats years ago, and I think they are nice boat. Mainly consider how far you will be towing the rig and what the needs are for the Lake as far as passengers and equipment. I would suggest that as far as size goes, try to keep 22 feet or better for the type of wave set and frequency that Lake O generates. i have had a 19 foot boat with 20degree deadrise and 7ft 10in beam and it was ok as long as the waves were under 3 feet or a big roll of swells spaced well apart. The problem came when trying to make some speed into a heavy chop of 3 footers and I was flying outta the water and slamming on the next wave. 22 feet or more with a 8 ft 6 in. beam helps to bridge the waves and smooth the ride at planned speeds. Keep the deadrise in the hull near 20 to 21degrees for the ability to slice the wave action, but look for some reverse chines as well to give you a stable troll and at rest in the water. The bow should have a large amount of freeboard and a good flare to it to help keep the lake on the outside of the boat. This almost will have you looking at fiberglass hulls mostly, which is not a bad thing since the heavier the boat the more it will handle the rough stuff. I would also consider some sort of enclosure. There are a wide variety of choices as far as that goes. I have a very minimal enclosure on a center console which consists of a T-top and a windshield with a winter front. I leave the winter front on all the time because of the spray from the bow in cross winds. A cabin of some sort would give you some protection from elements. When looking for a boat for lake O be sure to keep in mind a layout for downriggers and planers and possibly a set of outriggers which are a nice accessory. and plenty of gunnel for the rod holders. You will most likely be fishing with some buds on your boat so be prepared to set it up for that. 6 to 8 rods or more are not uncommon when everyone finds out how much fun it is and they all wanna come help you out on your expenses Most all fishing boats come designed for an array of electronics to be installed. Be sure there is lots of room for all of them as they are likely to start to look like the cabin of a Lear jet at some point.....heck by the time you install fishfinding equipment, GPS, a remote throttle control for the kicker motor, a black box, a down temp and speed sensor, auto pilot, VHF radio, AM, FM, CD, Backup GPS, and if ya got any money left, a big radar...you will be hard pressed to find a place to set your favorite drink. Last but not least absolutely do not underpower the boat. Get as much power as the manufacturer will recommend. Being able to get up on plane and out of the way of some bad weather approaching is always nice. The waves can get BIG and not having the power to pull outta the hole will be very frustrating. Trim tabs are also nice on a medium to large boat. They will help you stay on level plane side to side and keep the bow down at lower speeds to help save some gas. If you can afford the kicker motor, be sure to look for enough room on the transom for it and the external gas tank. My dive platform works well for both but makes the motor impossible to reach, so I have an elaborate system of strings to pull and a boat hook to lower and raise the kicker. Choosing the right boat is a very involved decision, but if you look at some of the ones that are on here and at dealers it can help. I would definitely go to a dealer that is knowledgeable with Lake Ontario rigging and pick their brain. All said I think if you were heart set on a Seaswirl, it would not be a bad choice. The Sheriffs dept runs them in my locale. Hope some of this helps. There are plenty of guys on here that will add to this, and they will have some suggestions that will help too. Welcome to the expensive world of Lake O fishing....now ya gotta sell yer clubs, and hope the wifey understands Mark

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Nice job Shawn!...I remember when mine were small and all the surprises that came from them while catching a fish. Most of the time they wanted to make pets out of the catch and the bait too! Mark

http://www.fish.state.pa.us/images/page ... /worms.htm This is a good explanation of the complex life cycle of parasites common in fresh water fishes. Most of these parasites are prolific among close knit fish communities where they are spawning and living in close proximity to each other. I have found no evidence where a fish disease can be transferred to humans, and that freezing, cooking or smoking the flesh will render the offending parasite totally harmless. Just close yer eyes and don't think about worms while you are crunching on those golden deep fried fillets DISCLAIMER: JUST BECAUSE IT SAID AND I REFERRED TO THE STATEMENT THAT THE PARASITES AND OTHER FISH DISEASES CAN'T BE TRANSFERRED TO HUMANS, DOESN'T MEAN YOU WON'T GET SICK FROM EATING ANYTHING YOU ARE IN DOUBT OF. (in other words if it looks like it will make you sick.....don't eat).....enjoy!!!!!! Mark

Tapeworm. Tapeworm found in the body cavity of carp suckers, minnows and some other fish. The fish is edible. Clean and prepare as usual. Worm encysted on internal organs coiled like a watch spring. Larval Roundworm. Larval Roundworm. The fish is edible. Clean and prepare as usual. This was what I found on a sitehttp://warnell.forestry.uga.edu/service/library/index.php3?docID=52&docHistory[]=1 Mark

Looks like the larval stage of a fish parasite. Are those capsule looking doo dads? I think the parasite is only dangerous if ya plan on eating the fillets raw freezing or cooking above 160 degrees for at least a minute or two should render it harmless, if you are braver than I am...in other words I wouldn't eat it...give it to someone you don't like and see what happens

Head way out to find the thermal break (if there is one) usually near the 450 to 550 Fow area. Look for the surface to change it's "look" there you will usually find the temp to go drastically upwards and the bait and kings and steelhead will be there. I don't know about the browns but I don't think they would venture that far from their usual depths. If it is cold way out to the 34 line then its likely you will have trouble locating any schooled fish, and they could be at any depth, even close to the surface which makes them hard to mark and sometimes the planner boards will work even in deep water. Mark

Nice Stan, looks like ya better get the grill fired up Mark

sfarm, If you would like to learn more about the Scotties, I have four of them on my 22 ft center console you can play with. Most of the time I fish alone but I got an arsenal of rods and different rigs for ya to try. Heck I'm always looking for a way to get extra lines in the water. I go out of Point Breeze, which is about 40 miles west of Rochester if that is not too far for you to travel. Like Ray says, I enjoy watching people reeling in their fish so be prepared to have sore arms when the day is done. I am a professional driver and trucking business owner so I'm away from port for periods of 3 weeks or more, but home for a week or two when I'm off the road. You won't need to pay me anything but maybe a lunch at the Black North at port. and my name is Mark, not even close to Sam....however I know one but I don't think he fishes at all PM me anytime, with a contact or just a reply if ya think your out that way

Nice ...Love to see the kids having fun outdoors Mark

I got some in a package from my kids as a x-mas present about 3 years ago. Naked wiggle girl is there I believe. I'll have to check again when I get back. Mark

When we all stop paying our taxes or New York City becomes a new state...Be sure that the increases and immediate cash in will go straight to the big city where everyone hunts and fishes.....not Mark

Looks like a nice harvest year for ya! Nice vid, Thanks Mark

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Very nice Mark, love the Ford tailgate Mark

Fishing Report Your Name / Boat Name: ============== TRIP OVERVIEW ============== Date(8/26): Time on Water:6am-9:30am Weather/Temp:rain, wind, generally bad Wind Speed/Direction:15-25mph Waves: 3-5 Surface Temp: 75 Location:Point breeze west LAT/LONG (GPS Cords): =============== FISHING RESULTS =============== Total Hits: 4 Total Boated:2 Species Breakdown:1 King 22lb/ 1 Steelhead 8lb Hot Lure: J-plug/ green Trolling Speed:2.3-3.0 Down Speed:Na Boat Depth:100-130 Lure Depth:59- 80 divers out 210/2.5 set ==================== Teamed up with Mick this morning for a quick hit on the lake. Had to got to work this afternoon so we got out early and went west to Johnson creek. Set up 100 fow, J-plug down 59, Moonshine purple glow spoon. 80 down. Diver with spinys and flies 210 out on a 2.5. trolled east with the waves back toward port and had a hit on the Moonshine but nobody home, then the J-plug fired for the 22 lb king, Mick reeled in. Rain storm came and brought nice wind too, so turned west and trolled into the wind trying to stay out of the worst of the wind and rain. Took another shot on the diver pulling the crush green glow spiny and green glow G-fly combo, but lost it on the first couple tugs on the rod. A steelhead came and found the big green J-plug appetizing and Mick brings him in at about 8 lbs. Water was rough but manageable with swells moving west to east. Bait was just plastered on the screen and fish were flying to the lures alot but not many were biting. Took our wet butts home after 9:30 am, put the fish back in their wet homes too. I like center console boats, especially when I have forgotten my rainsuit Mark ====================

Looks like it had a steady diet of lost downrigger balls from the bottom Mark

Mark, (good name by the way) Great post. Glad to hear you had a relaxing time on the big "O" . Sometimes less is more with the # of rods. Less fuss with tangles and less noise in the water with lines running and cables running. Two riggers cheated with sliders or fixed cheaters and two divers covers a lot of water with six offerings. There are days when the bite is just not good and it will not matter how many lines you have or how many different baits there are in the water, they just don't want to activate, and if they are active then you will have a hard time keeping it all in the water at the same time any way. Speed and target depth is more critical than color or bait in a lot of cases. I usually vary my speed and direction a lot to see if that is the trick and in most cases it is just that. What you found with the bite window was consistent with my findings, even out here in Point Breeze, and a few of the other posts on here were the same findings as well. Keep up the good work on the learning curve, it appears you have learned a lot and the curve should be a lot less from now on Mark

Fishing Report Your Name / Boat Name: ============== TRIP OVERVIEW ============== Date(8/22-23): Time on Water:7am-1pm/22nd & 7am-3pm/23rd Weather/Temp:Muggy sunny and water spouts during storms in afternoon Wind Speed/Direction:west-NW-North Waves: Bumpy both days, 1-3 multi-directional Surface Temp:around 75 Location: Point Breeze LAT/LONG (09-10 West-26.5 to 32 North): =============== FISHING RESULTS =============== Total Hits:17 Total Boated:13 Species Breakdown:Kings all sizes to 17lbs, small cohos, Steelhead to 8.5 lbs Hot Lure:Day one- orange/gold Doctor spoon/ 42 second NK28 spoon/ day two Pro king regular in green & silver/ glow ladder back Trolling Speed:2.7 GPS Down Speed: N/A Boat Depth: 160-540 Lure Depth: 60 and 90-105 ==================== Had fun with my Daughter, Amanda, and her boyfriend Dan for the first weekend of the LOC Derby. No spectacular winning fish but had a steady pick of fish both days with a hot spell around mid to late morning turning on for about an hour and then it would slow down again for us in the afternoon. Most fish were caught in the deep water 300 ft and out to 31 lines and beyond. Had a double hookup for some excitement and a couple of fish hit rigs as they were being deployed, one on a diver going out on a slow click drag, a coho probably down only 25 -30 feet over 80-90 FOW. Was marking a lot of fish in that zone early in the day but did not target them for we had on the mind and wanted the BIG one. Took a King at 60 on the rigger. That was the only fish to come that high on the riggers, everything else was 90 to 105 down in depths over 160 feet or more all the way out to the 31 lines where we got chased off by the water spouts and storms coming from the west with 35 kt winds on Saturday. Sunday the Steelhead gave us a lot of fun, one taking the Pro King regular spoon on a fast drop off the Scotty heading for 105 ft down, when all of a sudden, out of the corner of my eye I spot the steelhead rocketing out of the water behind the boat, and I'm like, what the heck ? Ok now I come to realize that the fish has the spoon and the rod is slack from going down and I reel like a madman to get some line in and see if it's really hooked or not. Yes it is ! Now it's gone whacko jumping several more times for a show. We ran a five or six rod spread. Spoons did most of the fish, The Pro King spoon was a sale item at Cabela's and It turns out to be a real good addition to the arsenal as it took most of the shots both days, Flasher/fly combos were pretty quiet. Saturday was 5 for 9 and Sunday was 8 for 8, with a couple knockoffs. The 10 west 26.5 to 27 lines were the best for us of the two days. Mark ==================== Amanda's 8.5 lb steely Her 17lb King Group shot at Skipper's Lodge (AKA Mark's garage or hide out )

Had one forming just west of Point Breeze too. It never got all the way to the water and disappeared after about 5 minutes. Thunder storms came and chased us off for the afternoon. Mark

And to think I can be the only one who would cause you RAY to regress to your former state of mind. Now go back to misspelling everything so we know it's really you.

Yeah the camper kinda sits all summer. We go over to the catskills sometimes and adirondack mountains about once a year. Hoping this fall the darn thing will enjoy some time down at Cape Hatteras with us. I been tryin to get the trailer for the boat fixed up in between other stuff. New surge brake actuator hitch and LED lights got it back in order. Hoping now to get out this weekend between storms. Enjoy your camping weekend, hope it doesn't get stormed out where you are going. Mark

I wasn't aware of an Atlantic Salmon rearing project at Altmar hatchery, that's intresting. I thought all the atlantics were Canadian stockings? I'm not sure about the statement that the pacific salmon migrate to the ocean from Lake Ontario, unless she meant typically in a setting where the fish live in the ocean and migrate to fresh water to spawn. Also, aren't the alewife a member of the herring family of salt water fishes and a staple food of all salmonids that typically live in the ocean? I think the statement of the Atlantics being a once prolific species living in Lake Ontario might be correct but the decline was due to more, a lack of interest, or methods by which to replenish natural resources back then. Nonetheless, I hope that they are going to be a regular addition to the great fishing that has developed over the years through careful management and science. Let's just hope that our state government doesn't screw it up. Mark

10 second timer on the hitachi digital camcorder doesn't give me much of a "strike a pose" window. Now that's an authentic Toby Kieth hat purchased at a Loves truck stop, keeps the sun off the solar fishing machine panel so it doesn't overcharge and catch too many fish. Mark

Fishing Report Your Name / Boat Name: ============== TRIP OVERVIEW ============== Date(8/19): Time on Water:8:00am to 1pm Weather/Temp:sunny, 77 Wind Speed/Direction:5-7mph nw then w Waves: 1foot Surface Temp: Location: north of port LAT/LONG (26n 09w then 29n 10w): =============== FISHING RESULTS =============== Total Hits: 8 Total Boated:5 Species Breakdown: 1 King 1 coho 3 steelhead Hot Lure: NK28/42second...anything green Trolling Speed: 2.7 Down Speed: N/A Boat Depth: 275 to 450 Lure Depth: 70-80 and 100 ==================== Went straight out of port a little east and set up in 250 ft. fishing solo again. Two outboard riggers and sliders. First fish was the 22 lb king on the 42 second nk28 set down at 70 ft over 265 fow. Then a nice steely came on and was about two thirds the way to the boat and got off, it was a good fish but swam away on the surface with it's tail poking out of the water, unaware of it's freedom. Trolled north some more for a while there was no action then the folly began out at the 28 to 29 lines between 09 and 10 west. Steelys came on hard for a "fin alley" and even gave me a double on my two lines. One coho came in the mix out there in the deep. All the steelheads and the coho were undersized fish and sent back to grow up. The sliders only got hit once with orange and gold spoons, everything else came off the ball. Checked the temp with a depth therm thermometer and found the water at 80 feet to be 58 degrees so my sliders were probably out of temp. Checked again at 40 feet and the temp was 70 degrees. Mark ==================== 22 lb king