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No. 50 is too heavy and wastes space for copper. I also do not use any hardware connection that can wear the unions. Does any one need more than 30 when 30 is good enough for dipsey divers and rigger work? Just my opinion but most leaders are 30 or less too.

Superstitious impulse buying at the tackle shop.....that's it! I went in to buy a spool of flouro (opposit side from spoons flies etc,) then unconscious I meander to the wall with all the "bling " and like a fish...or human thinking like a human thinks a fish thinks....i grab two of each lure I already have 6 of. That's called repeatability, and Dennis knows this so he puts the baits right at eye level.

Throw the rubber squids or jig bait in a tub of Berkeley gulp juice. Do like Les said with the wire and bend it to roll (corkscrew) not spin at a cadence of about 2 to 3 rolls per second. Bait heads have an angle on the leading edge for roll. No gulp....stick hands in gury in cooler and massage yer catch (requires spoon caught fish ) then rig it up!

I don't know....the bald end is facing us. The hairy end has teeth...strange:blink:

Awe come on Ray! Don't be a party pooper!...Sheesh...there he goes, gettin all red about it.....:huh:....awe yeah the bilge blower...i know:p

..comedy club yes!..the one at point breeze ramp on weekends starring the Griswolds!...we need bleachers and sell tickets!

Perpetual methane ignition...just gotta remember to vent poop pit before sealing the seat with yer butt!..been gonna install a bilge blower..

Copper weight 5.2 ounces per cubic inch 7.84 cubic inches for 600 feet of 45 lb wire 40.8 ounces or 2.55 pounds on the reel. :o:o:o:o :wub: attack!

What's that ticking sound :huh:... :ooly!......:unsure:...:blink::blink:....EVACUATE!!!

JAG, I was not trying to dodge your question. Sorry, I was more poking fun at some comical fellows here. Ray and I go back a long way being chop busters on each other, and the outhouse wiring is related to that. Les has actually given me a chance to illustrate in crude manner that every kind of reel has a volume capacity directly related to thickness of line or cord and how much linear conversion it has. If you want a recommendation for a reel. My vote is for Daiwa 60 Seagate. 400 ft 45 lb blood run and 900 feet 30 lb power pro fit perfectly on a very fast reel. Narby $149.00 last I checked. Mono capacity 450 yards 30lb:lol: Blood run sells prespooled Daiwa Seagate 60 but you will not get 400 feet of 45 lb copper from them. They only give you 300 ft of 45 lb AND UP TO 600 feet of their braid backing and the rest is core filler of mono not specified by their site. So you will not have 900 feet total of just braid backing because the unspecified mono is a thicker line. Especially if it is 30lb or up. 30 lb mono is exactly twice the thickness of 30 lb braid so there is obvious volume deficiency there. That's why they only give you 300 ft. Of 45 lb copper. Only advantage to the mono at the spool core, is bite on the spool to keep it anchored and not creep under extremely hard pulls. I have NOT had that issue with straight braid and using an arbor knot and a small bit of electrical tape on the spool. If you want a 300 they will do that for about 218 bucks. If you want 400 copper, you do it yourself with just braid in 30 lb Power pro for backing at 900 feet. If you want to do a 300 45 lb copper yourself, and still have the 900 feet of braid backing, you will have to do like blood run does, and buy a 300 yard filler spool of power pro, and find some 30 lb mono you have laying around and spool on the mono first. Formula time. Reel capacity 450 yards of 30 lb mono 30 lb mono is .022 diameter. 1÷.022= 45.45 squared=2066 linear inches per cubic inch (rounded) 2066÷36=57.4 yards per cubic inch 450 yards reel cap. ÷ 57.4 = 7.84 rounded 7.84 is the cubic volume of the Seagate 60 Your copper segment is 300 feet 76.5 feet of blood run copper 45 lb will fit into 1 cubic inch. 300÷76.5= 3.92 cubic inches Your backing of power pro segment is 900 feet 689 feet of power pro 30 lb braid will fit into 1 cubic inch 900÷689=1.31 cubic inches Your reel has volume of 7.84 cubic inches 7.84 -3.92 for copper segment -1.31 for braid segment =2.61 left for the mono core segment. 30 lb mono is .022 and we already know from above that 57.4 yards will fit a cubic inch. 2.61 left on the reel × 57.4 = 150 yards rounded. 450 feet! That might come in a measured reel fill package so you don't have to physically measure it. I know the power pro does and you don't have to measure it. Total backing 900 braid and 450 mono is now 1350 feet and you have room right to the top of your spool for the 300 45 lb blood run copper. YOU MUST USE THESE BRANDS LISTED. YOU CAN USE OTHERS BUT... Different manufacturer specs cause different line diameters and changes the outcome dramatically. Example Atomik is thicker so is AFW. so if you use those it will be a different out come. You want it to be at the top for maximum efficiency of the reel. It's faster when full, it's drag works smoother when full. How many cubic inches are on Rays Tuna reel? :huh:Capacity 803.6 yards of 30 lb mono? 57.4 yards fits into a cubic inch hint hint. We've seen this before someplace..;) Mark

Smartphone...:rolleyes:...can't download it. :unsure:

Oh my...you guys are baaad. SILENCE!!!....HE KEEL YOU!!!... your tackle will be GONE !

Stinger, I can't open your attachment. Try again without a quote!

The point I'm trying to make here is that there are a lot of variables. thicknesses of different kinds of lines, different reel retrieves and so forth so if you want to know what the outcome is, use the formula. Do the puzzle that's up above and you'll have the information and to know how to figure out what kind of reel it is that you want to put what size line on. Or the reel you NOW HAVE can hold how much copper with how much backing. Dammit! I just put 100 feet of outhouse copper wiring on top of my aluminum wire that's on my orange cord winder....now it's tangled off the spool all over the floor...guess I'll cut it off. Shouldn't happen if I knew that formula somebody did.

One that fits it. There's a formula someplace for it. Depending on the Guage of outhouse wiring on my orange cord winder and the aluminum primary wire for backing....sorry...couldn't resist. What size is the thickness of your backing and your copper and do you want fast retrieve or farm equipment slow and powerful.

Fine.....

I don't see any answers yet. Come on there's clues all over already in this thread. What the heck...

He doesn't always wear Costa del Mar, but when he does.... It's night time...stay coolB)

Two of these for me. One to spy on Trout n About, and one on Yankees all girl bikini team:D

Not a math teacher...I think I was a dog. Still chasing cars to get off on the exhaust! Les, I had to leave my better half (the one that drives while I sleep) home for 10 days. Now I gotta park the truck for 10 hours after every 14 log duty hours. I can't sleep when the truck is still....who sleeps for 10 hours! Dumb log hour rules! These magazines are gonna spoil before they are delivered! There are answers men! Get your calculators! Hey if muskybob can be a legendary LOU guy, I want be just like that too!:blink::blink::unsure::unsure::unsure:

Here, I'll make it simple. Just remember 57.4 yards of 30 lb mono fills a cubic inch. If you find a reel you want and it's specs reveal a yardage capacity for 30 lb mono, just Divide the yardage by 57.4 and now you know it's volume capacity. Since we always seem to assemble copper reels in terms of feet, just multiply yardage by 3 to get feet. Puzzle.... Ray found a reel that holds 803.6 yards capacity of 30 lb mono (.022 diameter). How many cubic inches is the volume of that reel? Then he (because he is a manly man :blink:) decided to put 900 feet of 45 lb copper (1÷.033 diameter squared) on it. How many cubic inches will that leave him for 30 lb braid backing (1÷.011 diameter squared)? How many feet of backing will he need to put on his reel first to fill the reel along with the 45 lb copper? And your answers are?

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