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Probably only going to find a new one in a shop. Try Narby in Point Breeze. They have some in stock...usually. 585-682-4624 Sharon or Dennis.

"That's nuthin but a bumper sticker"...who eats this crow?

http://www.treehugger.com/cars/diy-trash-powered-gasification-car-video.html Problem solved

Pad and pen 5 bucks. Smartphone pictures free. Data recorded...I'll save that cost for a display to replace the inevitable loss of a probe and get 40 dollars left in my pocket. Surface speed means very little but thats my opinion and the current digital display on the x4 is clear enough from the helm to the stern where mine is mounted. I just hate planned obsolescence for companies gain.

Man! Hard to fiqure a hound crawling in let alone 2!..reminds me of a friend that had a dachshund that had to be dug out of a woodchuck hole quite often. Couldn't turn around! Woodchuck snapping on the dogs face too!...hope hound is gonna be ok.

Les is exactly right. Experience the dynamics of the various effects of your trolling habits and how the setups work together, one at a time. See how it lays out. You can add more spread after watching your first copper perform. Then there are several things as devices or weights and releases that can maximize your spread without excessive fubar. It will happen but that is an experimental learning curve although expensive usually. If you're afraid of fubar expenses, keep it simple and run one copper maybe two. Personally I do not use any boards for copper to get separation. I rely on the three different weights of copper and 15 foot outriggers giving me 35 feet wide of a boat. Once all running up to 4 coppers everything runs fine on a gentle lake and steady hand...getting it out there, deployment is what can get tricky and requires fore thought and sequence. Remember that different weights of copper give you depth separation taking out one dimension from the equation. Different planes on various lengths to target specific water column and avoid fubar more than running multiple same weight coppers. The new 60 lb makes a great short copper in the chute as it sinks rapidly and quick to retrieve (large diameter winds on fast) when a fight with a rigger fish happen. Short copper can still get deep on a stacker release on a downrigger. Most folks don't do what I do, and for obvious reasons, boards are less expensive than outriggers and easy to use on relatively calm seas where outriggers can perform in rougher conditions. I like thinking and experiments. Especially when it comes to it all working with fun. If isn't fun then the KISS method is better because fun is most important. Catching the intended prey is the satisfaction of experience with the equipment. Get out and try stuff or as said get on the experience of someone who takes the time to shorten the learning curve. .

Thats crazy as the 10 inch size limit too. Oh well guess the baby salmon cant decimate the alewife further...:rolleyes:

I agree Vince, however i think the steelhead had a little more balanced diet as far as the forage fish are concerned. There were always a lot more rainbow smelt around back then and those have fallen off in density in the recent surveys. I believe maybe the steelhead are 90% fed on alewife. The smelt are the first thing in spring that the steelhead like to feed on after returning from tribs. If not as many found then the next best thing on the buffet is alewife for them.Copied from the 2013 Lake Ontario survey presented in March 2014 5) cross-lake transects and an Eastern Basin transect. Estimated yearling and older alewife abundance was 681 million fish, 3.5 times higher than 2012 and 3.7 times higher than the previous ten-year average. The rainbow smelt population estimate was 19 million yearling and older fish (Figure 3), the lowest estimate in the history of the survey (Section 24).

To many alewife not enough kings to manage the base and cold water kept the bugs from hatching as soon. They did forage heavier in deep water on alewife. They were stuffed with them in my catches.

Oink oink..piggies! Nice farming Rick!