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Dave, yes it is a 200 copper with backing clipped in the stacker. I use Scotty pinch stackers set on tight to hold the braid backing just behind the copper. You could use 300 copper and hook the backing into the stacker, but it would be for very deep thermocline 80 feet or more so you could stack a 300 65 feet above the ball and have it below water surface a good 15 to 20 feet or more and not interfere with a fish on another line at back of the boat. If all you have is a 300 and it sits idle because the fish are holding deeper than it will reach on its own, it is a good way to utilize the copper and the signature it gives on its own. I would not try to hold a 300 to a 200 length by attached rubber band. You could do it but the drag on the vertical portion going rod to band would be troublesome I think. I have used rubber bands on the outriggers to hold a shorter section of 500 or 600 and that works but rough water breaks them sometimes. I recommend a 200 copper. I found it to be a very useful length for many options...fishes effectively 45 feet or less on its own as a fast retrieve chute rod...torpedoed off the side to achieve more depths and wider set...dropped on the stacker to achieve virtually any depths ....It's easy to get on a smaller reel, good for ladies and kids. Common mid sixties depths can be fished with 2 coppers ...a 200 stacked corner rigger opposite a 300 knot at the water corner chute rod. They are running on different planes and safe. Just keep steady straight on the helm on setting up, after that turns as normal are ok. Remember the stacked 200 can dive quickly out of the way any time a fish is on. It never really needs to be hauled in. If it is popped to retrieve the ball on the common down rigger, all that needs gathering is the backing to clip in the stacker again. Mark cent frum my notso smart fone

High stacked releases on the outside riggers are great for rigger rods on steelhead in mid summer. I also run a stealth for picky kings who are ball shy. 200 copper 40 feet above the ball and you can use flashers on that but not at the ball on any riggers. Too much chance for major FUBAR. If running many longline sets of copper as I do (3 - 4) I keep all forward presentations at the ball spoons as they are the shortest of all your deployment and first to come up past your long lines. Depends on what the fish's mood is..sometimes they like the noise of riggers. ..sometimes a quiet meal slipping 200 feet away or more is appealing. Your divers will give you the first clues to quiet appeal. Stacking a short copper on an outboard rigger keeps it out of the chute and down out of netting work. If you do hook a fish on a spoon off the ball it may cross the copper but not twirling it up with a flasher. If it runs long you can clear it off the stacker or just drop the ball deep 100ft or more quickly depending on initial strike zone and carry the copper down to a safe depth. Two advantages..One you still keep that copper running. Two ...After you net that spoon fish you pop the stacked rigger copper off before bringing the ball up and as you bring that ball up and remove the stacker release the 200 copper sitting in its rod holder climbs the water column and possibly grabs another king on its way. Then to reset just put the spoon back 40 down..Attach stacker...reel the copper backing in and clip the backing in the release. Then do it again..repeatability is key! Mark cent frum my notso smart fone

Way to open the season Ricky mon! please no...YES...SACAFRACHABEARARAKIN please no!!!! Please no? Lmfao!...that's not what I said!...DAMNPORN.please no! cent frum my notso smart fone

Good job man..! Sent from my SM-N900P using Lake Ontario United mobile app

Something to think about....Even though you don't want a seperate tank for the kicker, it does have an advantage as backup fuel supply. Just in case... If your main fuel supply were to have some contamination element ruin your day with a main engine foul up due to water, dirt, or some kind of supply line leak, O ring, or primer bulb failure,.that would be something to affect your kicker too on a shared fuel supply....when you still have a kicker running on a seperate fuel supply it can make a trip back to the dock. I understand the space required for the extra tank and it's easy access. I have mine mounted to the dive platform for that and it is a easy access no muss no fuss to have the extra tank there if you have that space. Mark

Never had the pleasure of personally meeting you Les, I have however, gotten to know a person of vast knowledge of a sport we all cherish, and you have promoted with your personal integrity. I never like to hear of good folks like you having a debilitating malady that hinders the quality of life pleasures. I have a wish for your speedy return to 110% effective fisherman. Think young my friend! Mark Sent from my PC36100 using Lake Ontario United mobile app

Gotta be something wrong with the environment someplace. Merganser starving all at once sounds odd..like not all die at the same time from lack of fish. Swans are algae eaters. Something needs to be investigated maybe a bit further just to be sure Sent from my PC36100 using Lake Ontario United mobile app

Hmmmmm.....try a four inch gulp alewife in sushi fly?...maybe. Sent from my PC36100 using Lake Ontario United mobile app

I have wire and I also have braid. Both run at the same time, same duration. The braid is as good and better in some ways with heavy flea season. This braid....Fireline ORIGINAL Fused 30 lb...gray smoke color. NOT CRYSTAL...FUSED ORIGINAL If ever you try it you will be happy...even if fleas get on it...which is small walnut size gobs..rod tip down, rip it up outta the water and gone. No worries about kinked wire. No worn guides. Most times no need to touch the stinky little bastards Try it..if it don't work...I'm lying... Cuss me. Wire is good and gets deep, but so is the Fireline. I'm just a guy who likes to fish stressless. Not affiliated in anyway. Sent from my PC36100 using Lake Ontario United mobile app

Like said, they work at speeds 2 to 3.5 very well. Great rough water spoon. Specially following sea, when other spoons run erratic. Sent from my PC36100 using Lake Ontario United mobile app

I just posted a formula for loading reels of any size. http://www.lakeontariounited.com/fishing-hunting/index.php?/topic/42308-Calculation-for-copper-or-leadcore-and-backing#entry276946 You can double check the spread sheet findings with that. It's math, but it works. If you want to run braid with dipsy, then I would not use power pro. It will collect fleas, even in 50 lb. I suggest useing fireline fused original in 30 lb. Braid. It works very well with dipsy and does a great job during flea season. I don't load the whole reel with braid it is a waste of expensive line to have thousands of feet of braid on there. I would suggest winding on some 30 lb mono first. Something like Ande or Big game, that way you will have way less line invested just to use for filler. The mono will cushion the spool and not as likely to creep on the arbor. Mark Sent from my PC36100 using Lake Ontario United mobile app

SLIMY GRIMY...mix as directed with water ...turns to liquid OXALIC ACID..spray on. Don't let dry and soft bristle brush. Hose it off. Don't get it in your eyes or on bushes. Bar tenders friend in grocery stores too. In the cleanser section. Same kind of stuff Sent from my PC36100 using Lake Ontario United mobile app

I know there is a spread sheet out there. I wish I had an up to date works program to make it work....but I don't. So I use the ole noggin for this. Hope it helps some poor feller..HUH?.not you Ray...I know your answer is 14! Anyways here is some cipherin fer yer copper/ lead core/ backing/ leader riggin! ..nightmares! Or...just order a prerigged shiny new one from A-TOM-IK.. First must use known data from the reel that shows amount of yardage of a particular lb test. That lb test has a thickness of thousands of an inch. To do this convert the yards to inches by multiplying yards by 36. Now you have total linear inches of capacity of the reel. Now for the volume of the reel you must find the number of linear inches per cubic inch. To do this, use the known thickness in thousandths of an inch for the lb test line you want to use. imagine strands of line exactly one inch long laying stacked in a cubic inch. Now how many strands can lay across is the same as how many will stack to the top of the cubic inch based on thousandths of an inch thickness. The cube is 1.000 inches. To find how many 1 inch strands lay in the cube divide the thickness of the line into 1.000 and to find the total number of 1 inch strands you square the value of the thickness that divided into 1.000 to get how many linear inches of that line thickness in one cubic inch. divide that number of strands into the linear inch capacity to get the filled volume of the reel in cubic inches. Multiply the number of cubic inches you found for the reel you are using by the number of linear inches per cubic inch. That value will be the total number of linear inches of that particular line lb test based on its known thickness. Now divide by 12 for feet or 36 for inches to convert to yards. Example. (taken from the reel specs) Capacity 350 yards 30 lb. We will use Big game line @ .022 in. 350 yds to inches equals 12,600 inches (350x36) Find Linear inches in a cubic inch. 1.000 cu in. Divided by line diameter of the 30 lb. Line then squared... 1.000 / .022 = 45.45) x 45.45= 2065.7 2065.7 is the number of one inch strands of 30 lb .022 line per cubic inch. Or 2065.7 linear inches. Divide this value into the linear inch capacity of the reel you converted from 350 yards. This reel converted to that capacity of 12,600 inches we found first. 12,600 / 2065.7 = 6.09 The volume of the reel is 6.09 cubic inches! ...Jeeeze that would be some useful info on every reel now wouldn't it! Every reel has a volume of full capacity. The amount of full LINEAR capacity is governed by the thickness of the line that fits in that volume. In this case 6.09 cu inches volume of 30 lb big game @ .022 diameter equals 2065.7 linear inches per cubic inch times 6.09. 2065.7 x 6.09 = 12580 inches linear capacity 12580 / 36 = 349.4 ...close enough to 350 yards of big game 30 lb line. Ok...you are wondering why we did all that just to arrive back at the factory specs we started with for that reel. It really wasn't MEANT to be useless brain buster..but what we learned is the value we all want to know about that particular reel, or any other for that matter. The one that would be nice if the factory put it right on there. THE CUBIC INCH VOLUME OF THE FULL REEL! ...6.09 cubic inches....for THIS reel. What can we do with that you say?...well maybe you want to put some copper wire on there and backing, and flouro leader and you just don't know how much it will hold of all the segments. Now with this important piece of info about the volume you can calculate the capacities for each segment in the setup. You just need to know the line diameter in thousandths of an inch, and your new found volume info. Example. Let's say you want to put some 32 lb blood run copper on this reel. You go look up the spec for line diameter. It says .030 thousandth of an inch. You predetermined a 400 foot copper with backing. You don't know how much backing yet, and you don't want to overdo it or underdo it either. You DO know you want 400 feet of 32 lb copper on there... Convert 400 feet copper to inches multiply by 12 equals 4800 inches How much copper strands will fill a cubic inch? 1.000 / .030 = 33.33) x 33.33 = 1110.89 now divide this into 4800 and you get 4.32. That is the cubic inch volume of the 400 feet of copper that will go on this reel. The reel volume full is 6.09 so there is room for backing in what's left. Same deal with that go find some specs on the braid. Let's say 30 lb power pro...we find it is .011 diameter. We have 6.09 total volume on this empty reel and going to use 4.32 of it for copper. That leaves 1.77 cubic inches for backing. Let's reduce it 10% for the flouro and some wiggle room for the spool. Make it 1.59 cubic inches for the backing. 1.000 / .011 = 90.91) x 90.91 = 8264.63 8264.63 LINEAR inches in a cubic inch times 1.59 cu in. reserved for backing = 13140.76 inches of backing 13140.76 / 36 = 365 yards / 1095 FEET of power pro 30 lb backing. Now you have a choice. Since that is a lot of backing you could reduce the backing and decide to opt to throw on another 50 or 100 feet of copper, but I personally don't want less than 700 feet of backing on a copper. I have seen energetic early season kings run over fast! Last year 908 off a downrigger in June. The flouro leader should fit easily on the top shot. This example was taken from a Penn 309 line capacity specs. Any reel will work with this formula. You just need the linear line capacity and lb test and the diameter of the line. Some manufacturers put the diameter of the line lb on the reel. In the end you will have the best knowledge of the capacity for your reel and that is the cubic volume of its filled capacity. Hope this is useful for some who have labored over the idea of how much will fit on this reel I have. I know I have...whew... I think the lab called...must be my brain is ready! Mark Sent from my PC36100 using Lake Ontario United mobile app

does he do eye exams on site or do you need to have a doctor prescription? Sent from my PC36100 using Lake Ontario United mobile app

those recipes all sounds good here's one that I like sauteed chopped garlic in butter sauce enough to cover fillets in a glass baking dish, no skin . Sprinkle parsley and chives, old bay season to taste. put the whole thing in the fridge overnight, or until the butter congeals to the fillets. remove fillets try to keep the butter on them as much as possible , place in fish baskets for the grill so you can turn them on a hot fire. I like to use mesquite chips in a smoking box or foil pouch for a little added steaky kind of flavor. remaining butter in baking dish can be dropped on to the fillets as it's cooking . flare ups are okay it just adds to the crisp of the buttery crust on the fillet. just watch that they don't burn. everyone likes it!... even folks that say they don't like salmon at all thanks for the other entries I will try them as well! Mark Sent from my PC36100 using Lake Ontario United mobile app

Good to know Tim thanks! Sent from my PC36100 using Lake Ontario United mobile app

Where is the 4 H located? Ok....I got it ..rt 78 lockport county fair.. Sent from my PC36100 using Lake Ontario United mobile app

Last Thursday, at third creek, it was easily 18 inches. Probably more. Didn't actually measure it. Sent from my PC36100 using Lake Ontario United mobile app

Down wind, following sea....when solo, same when Lois is helmsman LOL! tcon Tom at the helm..any direction Sent from my PC36100 using Lake Ontario United mobile app

I'm with ya Les! If we only had Ray K with us, we coulda had the first naked and afraid episode....Sent from my PC36100 using Lake Ontario United mobile app