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Sounds to me like there were a lot of foolhearty folks out there getting very lucky. Cold water,6 footers?...fog, small boats, no radar glad there wasn't a big headline of disaster. Not to discredit the honesty of the thread, but not having full control in the blind should warrant a call for assistance. Picture running down a hallway full of desk chairs and someone throws a blanket over you head (didn't work well on the show "Jackass" ). That's the trench full of boats. Thanks for the luck of the draw post..keep it safer friends! Sent from my PC36100 using Lake Ontario United mobile app

I got it!....Elvis is trolling in the "Breeze"..ohhhhhh noooo.. It was just Omganothershortfatbaldone..wearing nuttin butta cape, ..don't be cruel Ray! Sent from my PC36100 using Lake Ontario United mobile app

Nice!...Yup!...very nice! Sent from my PC36100 using Lake Ontario United mobile app

Good job! Sent from my PC36100 using Lake Ontario United mobile app

I check and see when the flies are done, I can get a bunch of pan fish bait. Or I feed the turtles, skunks, poss, that happen by the creek out back. 6 gal dedicated bucket. Hose it out, hang it upside down in a lilac bush....best if it is in bloom downwind. Sent from my PC36100 using Lake Ontario United mobile app

Copper does take some attention in the chute. I have had it get into a fish on another line often. Sometimes after ya move it around, it seems like the fishes name is "Muphy" and goes right where you thought the copper was safe. If it's a 300 or less I will try to bring it in when a fish has taken a wire diver. The diver and flasher sometime can take the fish on an angle and head right for the copper. Rigger hits are never too much to worry about as much as the other long lines. I generally will run one copper and it is in the chute, but when steelhead are numerous I keep it out of the chute. I have never run copper off the boards, but that is because I have 15 foot outriggers that are much simpler for me to use, and less things in the water. Rough water they really shine. I run the riggers high and back to the stern so the line enters the water way back behind all the other sets. I also run two different weights of copper at the same time, a 30, and a 45 lb when fishing two copper sets. They run at different angles of depths at the same speed thereby reducing the effect of running the same plane with each other. Even still, there are some issues with ambitious fish like steelhead or coho that show up in schools. Two on or more can be a little tense, given their propensity to running 90 degrees to boat travel and jumping and coming back under the copper. That is when you need to know, did the fish jump over the copper and come back under or did he go under and then jump on the way back to the boat wake. It can help to determine the way to move the rods over and under to keep up with the fish and avoid a more severe mess. Mark Sent from my PC36100 using Lake Ontario United mobile app

Nice! Glad to see some inside fishing coming down the lake!..nice pics wtg! Sent from my PC36100 using Lake Ontario United mobile app

Very well done Rick! Nice pics! Mark Sent from my PC36100 using Lake Ontario United mobile app

I might be...might, I say...on Friday as well. Depends on what my travel agent. aka dispatcher ..says after today. Searching too. I got yer phone # Shawn. We will find em! Good luck on the live reports! Makes yer smart phone smell like ya had too much fun...if ya get into em..er uhhhhh the fish...salmon, ya know.. Mark

Way to break in the new equipment!...the boat, and the extra 3 rods holder! She looks happy!

Helps to move your deep diver rod to the chute, or tip it up straight in the holder, temporarily , until you get your wide diver out a good ways. More separation during deployments is always better. Remember the dipsy going out is going slower through the water and has a tendency to drop deeper and come closer inside, especially on a 3 setting. The weight on the dipsy pulls it down inside on dropout due to the slower speed on let out. Very slow on the out. Creeeep.... Deep inside one is not so much an issue as you can let it out off the stern and then move it to gunnel as its going out, it will find its place inside the high diver without issue. Boat straight. No wild currents. No big waves. No fast direction changes. Any of those changes everything. Mark

My preference over the two would be an 8.5 dipsy rod. The tip of most rigger rods is a bit too limber. Especially for anything over 300 feet. I actually have a medium weight 8.5 ft surf rod with plenty of guides, that works ok for the 600. An old Kunan downrigger rod I have works for the 300.

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Nice fishing Shawn! Hope you make it out more this month! I'm trolling the white line for awhile..can't fish much without those dead presidents climbing aboard...haha!

Way to go Rick man!...happy looking guests with nice fish. Flloyd, ...looks like a trucker.....I don't know....?..maybe the pens, and tire guage in his pocket?..or the hat?...LOL!...nice salmon for him! Reminds me of my dad in ways.. Mark

I don't do it often, but in tight traffic, I have and it works well on a 1 setting and any thing on the wire diver set is a 2.5 on that side. It is in really close, and the wire diver never even gets close. As far as chute goes, it is a little better than just bare copper because it angles down so quickly, most anything that hits the riggers blows past it, but not always. Everything gets a chance at tangles with a jumping steely though. I try to Target steely with less lines and more width. Moving a chute rod around is never the best fun like you said. Wire is wire, but copper helps the diver do what it does best....dive better. Tension on the diver remains the same.

Rod that is like some kind of torture device! Theresa wouldn't even let me bring something like that on the boat! We are waiting on our bloorun copper to arrive so that we can spool up a new 300 copper. We're going to use torpedo weights to get them down deeper and see how we like it compared to a 600' copper. Nick Nick, I might be one of the most unorthodox, give it a try kind of guys out there....I like your willingness to experimentation. I hope the torpedo/copper idea works..I am sure it will. I have had strange comments about some ways I keep deep running rigs closer to the boat without winding in 600 feet plus another 700 of backing torn off by an express king! 1300 feet! Might as well reel in a boot full of water, that fish is pretty dead!. I have a 600, I don't use it all. It is torture! My 200 and 300 get more use. I like your idea on the torpedo/copper. Have you thought of trying a standard 1 dipsy set 0 to 1 chute or gunnel style as a normal diver set? With 300 ft of 45 lb copper, that combo hits the area of a 600 plus. Never got an exact measure, but it hits bottom at a ratio near 2.3 to 1. Maybe someone with smartoll could check it out. It has drag so not easily used on boards, but no worse than a wire diver. No fleas either. Ok, now I'm gonna go sit in my corner. Cause I might have put a clown horn on a Harley-Davidson. I still say its a train horn on a tricycle...and I like hollow core for transitions to backing and leader...no knots...no swivels.. no catchy guides.. wind on leader. Oh, and this is much less stressful in tight quarters with other trollers if ya gotta fish deep with long lines! Mark

Welcome back Chris!...great name! My son honors the same. Maybe see you around Golden Hill, or even Hemlock. tcon Tom and I plan on some trips on Hemlock. Look forward to seeing your fun and fortune on the lakes and in the woods of NY. Mark

Biggest key in my opinion, is the flex in the rod more than the drag in any reel. Yes a smooth drag is better, but a nice long flexing rod will absorb more shock than a snubber. Only reason to snub is because your rod will not take the shock, it is too stiff. I like 10 foot limber diver rods with some backbone in the first third of the rod. I have Daiwa great lake 47 lc doing the job season after season...never a break off. 30 lb wire right to the dipsy...30 flouro to the lure.