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Holy jeepers Andy! I hope you have the fastest recovery my friend! You had both knees done?...wow! Guys, Andy is a great friend, and has some nice stuff. What a great deal for someone, I would love that if I was looking for a serious entry to finger lake and some Lake Ontario outtings. Good luck Andy! Nice rig! Give Andy a chance to recover a bit though, understandably, he needs to be mobile to go over it. He's a tough guy, but knees are so important to get the tough guy out there! cent frum my notso smartphone

Les, that's a good point! The heavy ball bearing swivels are very useful in changing releases from one style to another. The halyard lines are permanently crimped with large sleeves and I add a dab of silicone sealant to the bitter end in the end of the sleeve to help keep the cord intact and offer some protection against a wear point. I am using paracord right now and it works alright, but want to try something different and am considering 1.8mm dyneema and maybe a double halyard. The dyneema cord comes in a few different colors so if I do use a double halyard I can identify which one I'm pulling with color ID. I could be asking for trouble with 2 lines on each pole for deep water, and I'm wondering actually what to run that way. I'm thinking early season brown fishing in the shallows and fishing flat lines at different length similar to staggered sets on the big boards might be the best. Also to keep the halyard from creeping back to the boat is having an adjustable Bungee that can clip into the halyard roller lead with a carabiner lock ring. The adjustable bungee will allow the halyard roller to be attached in multiple positions around the gunnel, or the hard top structure, and can be lengths adjusted to accommodate the right amount of tension on the halyard, and have easy access to the release so no one has to lean way out to reach the release and clip the line in. Getting the tension just right so you can run the halyard out and back easily and the release will stay at the end of the outriggers without creeping back under rod tension. I use an adjustable tarp bungee with the ball on one end and the adjustable hook and lock on the other. The carabiner clip of the halyard roller snaps around the Bungee and jams against the ball end. The other end can hook into loops or around structure and hook itself in some cases. More tarp Bungee can be added, if for some reason you need more length to achieve the hook up position and the desired tension on the halyard. I might look into the 18 foot poles for more separation with the double halyard idea. I know it doesn't seem like much to gain 3 feet on a pole, but it works out to another 6 feet of spread across the width. Right now with 15 ft mine are tip to tip 35 feet apart with 5 feet separation of the mounts on the hard top. 6 more feet would be 41 feet! Almost twice the length of the 24 ft boat! Hmmmm?[emoji38] Here's a trick I yet have to try.. A system that allows the line release to ride automatically up and down the halyard without having to pull the halyard at all. A heavy, smoothly finished, egg weight that has the halyard pass through it. The egg weight would have a free hanging tag line attached to it with the release on the free end of the tag line. I think this might work well with the outriggers angled up and back a bit like I usually run them so line drag can work as a force to move the egg weight and release against gravity up to the end of the rigger. The process would be to attach a fishing line to a release on the tag line, and the drag will pull the egg weight, sliding up the halyard and holding it there with forward line drag tension. The tag line could also help reduce some of the angle of the fishing line and facilitate a better hook up..maybe. After the release, the egg weight falls back down the halyard under gravitational pull of the earth, and sits there waiting for you to hook the line back in the tag line release!...no hauling the halyard!...maybe. What do you think?..maybe the tag line will whip around on a strike and tangle on the end of the outriggers...that could be a PITA!...maybe...[emoji30][emoji20].. cent frum my notso smartphone

[emoji23][emoji38]...yeah Pap, I get where you are coming from on the burp and wind! Lol. I don't normally run that much tackle on a rough day, and in this case it was during the salmon slam tournament in week 1 of May. Three of us on board one was my friend Captain Mick (Get Hooked Sport Fishing) from Point Breeze, my good friend Tom Conine (the human auto pilot) at the helm. Conditions were perfect that day, and we beat the crap out of the Lakers and a few nice kings as well. If I'm trying to relax, I cut down to usually less than 6 rods max. Tom is piloting, Mick is in the back, I hopped up on the forward casting deck and snapped the pic in between the laker bash. We needed both nets! Fleet has the nice 18 foot Taco poles. Great looking rig as well, love the twins! Can't beat the walk around fish ability. Nice easy rig to work and play. cent frum my notso smartphone

Thanks for the crown Les!..I have had a lot of tial and error experience application on Lake Ontario using basically proven salt water techniques but adapting to our way of spreading lines in deep water. Most salt water applications using outriggers are for top water teasers and baits run at high speeds that seldom employ depth achieved tackle at slow speed as we do on the lake. I have learned some expensive mistakes that have forced some innovation and a few work that I can share. The floss and copper on the outriggers. In the case you have a 600 foot copper and you want only to use shorter deployment, 300, 400 etc. The floss is strong, but soft and flexible. It will hold the copper in a nice arch away from the release. Will not damage the copper. It will also reel in through the guides and roll onto the reel spool very smoothly. Permanent marker on the floss can color different length of copper out. It's down fall is durability, over a few days of use it can become weak and break, but easily replaced. How it is tied. Same as a bowstring D loop. It will not slip if tied properly. Fully deployed on the Stand and Deliver trolling 9 lines. 2 long copper wires on the outriggers 11 feet over the surface and angled back even with stern. 3 downrigger ball sets 2 divers set on #1 2 stealth short 100 copper stacked on the out down cables. cent frum my notso smartphone

I have Taco 15 foot riggers. Wish I had 18 foot but, I have used blacks and AFTCO roller release clips. The AFTCO works ok with the divers, but not with copper. There simply isn't enough tension on the copper wire to keep the release from flopping around and if you run shorter than full length copper it will wear it in two. You are ok with running copper on the backing however, but in that case, why not run the blacks and twist the loop into the backing and clip it in the blacks and add some tension to the rod for quicker slack reduction and setting hooks. The roller style will not let you add any tension and results in poor hook up due to the rod flexing towards the release on a strike. Pulling a single dipsey is possible on the Taco Aluminum poles. I don't recommend a Mag dipsey, but you can run a ring on the regular without any issues. In this case I run a blacks only for wide dipsey #2.5 to 3 sets and on BRAID only. Braid will slip over the pin without trouble. Wire will not, and eventually cause a weak spot where it wears on the pin. A roller will work better here. The roller will stay aligned better also, because the dipsey has so much tension on the wire. It will not flop around like the copper with the lower pulling resistance it allows. It could be a great combination to rig both releases on the halyard and chose the one that functions best with the type of line you are using, either wire or braid, or even mono. Roller for steel wire, NOT FOR COPPER! Pin Black's for braid or mono. Copper rigged short on outrigger, tie a D loop dental floss on the copper and hook the floss in the blacks. Keeps the copper safe from chafe, the floss can easily be replaced when it becomes worn. Aside from being a sexy flag flying addition to your offshore machine, they truly are effective at widening the spread and where boards are just too much hassle without a few buds onboard. Great in rough water, great for turning around in tighter maneuvers. Not the cheapest addition, but what isn't in the world of fishing convenience. cent frum my notso smartphone

Gotta wonder, the weather being calm and settled. No real run off influx from the tribs. What the heck would suddenly break up 10 inches of ice from a mile away of open lake water. We have had some seismic activity in the main lake before this a few times. Wonder if there was any of that going on?...might check that out. Water levels have changed dramatically from some deep seismic tremors under the lake. Can't believe that the ice that thick could just break up out of nowhere, especially in a bay where there is relatively low water fluctuations normally. cent frum my notso smartphone

Florescent glow...light emmiting. Light emmiting in dark conditions allows you as a human to see the color being emmited, whether it is emmiting light as a glow, or generation of light in a bulb that has colored glass. When it's dark we dont know what color it really is, until it lights. Maybe a fish can see some colors. But, if the glowing light from a lure did not glow florescent color in the dark, no ultraviolet light at all, I don't think any of us could tell what color the lure is, let alone even see it much. So if we or the fish was looking up at the lure, during high sun daylight, from below and towards the bright sky and a mirror of the surface, could you or the fish see color of the lure? Not likely. It would appear as silhouette against the bright overhead. Mostly black. Looking down towards darker depths, again my theory is you or the fish could see better, the color of a glowing fluorescent color against the dark depths and the reflection of the brighter overhead. On the same plane, maybe then the light diffuse would have a significant impact on the color of a lure. Ultraviolet light would enhance some UV colors based on the stain of the water, and maybe not relying on a light emmited glow from a lure. Only guesses on what a fish can see in colors. No digital camera eye is the same as a biological eye. A camera can enhance colors. We or fish cannot. What a camera sees simply isn't the same. What a fish cues on as a response to feeding is multi sensory, not unlike us in some ways. My guess is like us, what we don't see, we respond first by hearing with our ears. A fish uses the sensory lateral line and reponds to vibration, like our ears do. Next is our eyes, the ears have told us the direction to look. We see high contrast first, as a fish I would think a flash of silver like a mirror would pinpoint activity quickly at distance. As we or the fish get closer, all senses are covering the curiosity. Color will give the next clue as the target and it's desired familiarity. A little different color raises more curiosity. Lastly, I still believe action of the lure is more critical to the commitment of a strike than a color. That is the sound, the vibration, that the fish feels that is the trigger. Either the big thump of a flasher simulation of a feeding salmon creating the frenzy of feeding, or the small high frequency vibs of the spoon or fly that simulate a bait swimming in distress. In the end, we are trying to fool a prehistoric pea sized brain, that essentially has not changed in thousands of years. We are the ones who have turned it into science and we are the ones relying more on gadgets and trends....the fish still win in the day that all the fisherman's tricks and technology don't work to put fish on the line. That's why we love fishing, and not so much the catching, although if nothing else it gets us to try new things, or at least consensus agreement that the fishing was good, but the catching sucked in group discussion over the days end beer. Choose your colors!...still did it change the days end discussion? Some body will say purple with pink polka dots worked for them!...on a snap on torque wrench set on 60 foot lbs. The new trend! cent frum my notso smartphone

I was just remarking about going to the grocery store and getting the ingredients for this just yesterday. This morning I awoke to find locks on all the pot and pan closets. Evidently Cher, my lovely domestic partner, was reminded of the mess I made, and every pot and pan filling the dishwasher....twice. I will remind her of how she absolutely loved the creation of Adirondack Salmon Chowder...I'll win! Bob, are you down there in your speedo with Omganothershortfatbaldone doing selfies? Send pics!...hope you are well and get some time to fish a little. cent frum my notso smartphone

Nice Stan! Send me a link where I can order some. I've got some original models nearly 40 years old. Great rough water performance here on Lake O. cent frum my notso smartphone

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.businessinsider.com/calexit-explainer-california-plans-to-secede-2016-11 Yippee for the hippee! So they want to secede because of their cultural differences....mostly. Ok how exactly do these folks think they got so culturally different. 55 Democrat electoral votes removed...hmmm..Ok! Stan!...Cuomo has just announced New York is taking refugees! Those in Cali that own a salmon rigged boats are free to come live in our state. LOU vetting necessary! You are welcome to come fish with us! cent frum my notso smartphone

Same problem I had explaining an impeachment process with Clinton to my kids now 30 and 32, and my parents would have had with me on Kennedy, but we didn't have the media as prolific as today nor the teachings we have today either. Two channels on TV and the president came on in 1962 and my favorite show went off...that was my only concern, but that's not today. Cameras and digital recordings are in every aspect of your life. Hell, you might only be able to go in the woods and say something to be private, but maybe not...there's trail cameras all over out there! I am not an angel either. cent frum my notso smartphone

Jeeze Stan!, you better get the hell outta there! Being a conservative there you might be put in concentration camps and made to watch Madonna movies and music all day for torture. cent frum my notso smartphone