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Someone put vegetables in my fuel tank. The Cat under the hood likes meat, and is not very happy. Me?..not so much either ...my dumb trucker (what Ray calls me) math skills might be a little off, but I did garner an A+ in MUSKYBOB'S cats, girls, buses, and backpack quiz! I figure that a little observation, math, and seat of the pants "feel" can muster an equation of some sort that might scare the pants off the economists. Here an excerpt from North Dakota State College .edu on agriculture and biofuel site states a comparison of energy in terms of petroleum diesel being 100% efficient as a base against biodiesel as a alternative fuel. Note that I understand it will take 1.1 gallons of biodiesel to do the same work as 1 gallon of #2 diesel petroleum fuel. Really doesn't sound like much difference, just 1 tenth more fuel to do that does it? The energy content of the fuels also vary. No. 2 diesel fuel typically contains about 140,000 BTU's per gallon while vegetable oil and biodiesel contain about 130,000 BTU/gal. A "BTU" stands for British Thermal Unit which is defined as the energy required to raise the temperature of water one degree fahrenheit. Fuels with a high heat of combustion will usually produce more power per pound of fuel than fuels with lower energy. As a result, an engine using a lower energy fuel will require more fuel to produce the same power as diesel fuel. As a result of the lower energy content, biodiesel will require about 1.1 gallons of fuel to do the same work as a gallon of diesel fuel. Ok, here are a few facts from my experience. #1...my truck averages 6.0 mpg on 100% #2 grade diesel fuel. Loaded and empty average. #2...biodiesel costs about .02 cents more than regular diesel on average. Sometimes the same. #3... The truck moves 6000 miles a week as a base average. #4... Price of diesel average $3.85 as a base 6000 miles / 6.0 mpg = 1000 gallons of 100% diesel burned in one week (simple right?) OK 1 gallon of regular fuel to go 6 miles 1.1 gallon of bio to go 6 miles ( 6 / 1.1 gallons = 5.45) mpg with bio ....following me? 6000 miles @ 5.45 mpg = 1101 gallons bio burned in one week. 1101 - 1000 = 101 more gallons burned at the end of the week if useing biodiesel. {3.85 + .02 = 3.87} X 1101 = $4260.87 a week in fuel cost for bio 3.85 X 1000 ......................= $3850.00 a week in fuel cost for 100% Difference at end of week = $410.87 Extra for using the "feel good" fuel for one week Sound bad yet? 40 weeks out of the year the truck is on the road...$16,434.80...OUCH! That's a lot of trolling money outta my pocket :crying: The truck, and everthing powered by diesel is delivering everything you buy and own. What is the economy going to look like with that kind of inefficiency? Just to add fuel to the fire (no pun intended) the Caterpillar engine in my truck was the latest development for efficiency before Cat company got PO' d and left the market. It has twin turbochargers to help it burn fuel more economically and produce the power that I can feel in the seat of my pants....Well that goes out the window, not my pants Ray, but the "feel" of the boost from 52psi pressure built on intake air for kitty to breath good. That happens at peak torque around 1350 rpm...with bio veggy cat food in the tank it gets 45 psi boost at a very high rpm of 1600 and that just wastes more fuel. 100% throttle in high gear in a pull is useing fuel at 3.18 mpg to climb with 100% diesel Same throttle pull in one gear down because of power loss goes to 2.64 mpg with bio. These values are taken from the Cat ESP electronic monitor in the overhead console. Bad bad bad. Here's some more fun for you and then I'll let you all go hide! The economy of the engine gets exponentially worse if you think you have a really good running truck, and it say...gets 10mpg. Useing 100% diesel @ 1 gallon to go 10 miles now would use 1.1 gallon bio to do the same making your fuel mileage drop to 9.1 ...holy crap!....that's a loss of almost a mile to the gallon! I won't put the formula to that for 40 weeks on the road with the big truck...you can thank me for trying my best to keep all your goodies at the store a little cheaper by burning good ole 100% diesel as much as I can....I like money in my pocket too! Imagine that! Try to enjoy the rest of your year and look for real gas and diesel it saves in more ways than you can think of in one sitting. I know you've all seen the problems in small engines and fuel systems of all kinds. If you haven't, you must be useing good additives or not running an internal combustion engine. Mark [ Post made via Android ]

It's too bad that we can't get the stations around us to sell more pure gas. I have the big 18 wheeler on the road 6000 miles a week. The bio diesel is not as prevalent as ethanol gas. I have the ability to buy diesel in the pure form all the time only because it is not as wide spread as ethanol gas is. If I see the bio blend sticker on the diesel pump I drive right back out, and look for real fuel elsewhere. A personal boycott that is easy for me to do because of its relative non acceptance by truck owners. There is a Petro truck stop in Rochele, Il. And it used to sell 20% bio blend on all but one pump. That one pump was priced for 100% diesel nearly .30 cents higher than other stations selling pure diesel. The bio fuel blend was priced at the same rate as what the 100% fuel was for the other stations selling 100% diesel. WHAT A RIP OFF!...Now, it is priced finally much lower than 100% diesel and moved over to the other side of the islands. Only half the pumps are bio blend now because no one was buying it and the only 100% pump was over priced but that pump was backed up with customers all the time. I guess they got the message. It's the same problem with bio diesel as E10 gas...no power...and wasted fuel economy. Not to mention my Cat engine has had two injectors go bad ..MECHANICALLY.. before I realized what was going on. 1 injector costs $700. The EPA has put all these clean air farces on us to pay for. Caterpillar has left the country in the heavy on road truck production engines. Cummins and Detroit are struggling to stay in the game with all sorts of experimental equipment on the engine to clean the air up. It's not working very well, just by looking around the shops and seeing all the bays filled with late model engines tore apart with EPA parts scatered on the floor. I have been reluctant to buy another truck because of the guinea pig syndrome. It's just another way of silently boycotting the "change" and "hope" I will survive. It's getting harder though because they force it on you in ways you can't do much about it. As of this time from two years ago, I do not go to California any more. They have mandates of their own, and guess what, I don't have to go there, because there are 47 other states that I can go to without the added cost of compliance. Nobody is paying me to clean the air, nobody is paying me enough to buy a truck engine that has 15,000 dollars of EPA mandate equipment on it. Nobody is paying me for the lost payload due to the 1000 lbs of added DEF fluid or the filter trap in the exhaust system, and the APU that keeps me from idleing to stay warm or cool while parked. It's all designed to make the government richer and us poorer. I hope that the technology begins to work for us, because I would like the air to be cleaner too, but I don't want to be the one flipping the bill at my expense, and America/Canada should not be the only country cleaning up the environment. So now they want us to have E15 gas, like It's a drug we need. I think I will see what it costs me in gas to go 20 miles to Basom, ny and buy the 100% gas at the reservation, in comparison to driving 4 miles to the Mobil station in town, which is the wrong direction to go to the Oak with my boat. My F250 with V10 gets approx. 10.5 mpg around home by itself. 9 with the boat behind it. I'll tow the boat down to Basom fill the tank on the boat and the truck...whew might have to take out a loan for that...then make the comparison. I already know the 100% gas will work better in my old 225 two stroke Yamaha. I have experienced that already. The engine pulls an extra 300 rpm with the real gas. It actually sounds much better too! I wish we had more 100% gas stations around like the 100% diesel pumps so we could send the message that we vote not to buy the alcohol blend. It's just the beginning of the worst government intervention in our lives to come. They have got control of something that we all need and they are whipping us to death with it. Maybe the farmers will get paid more to plant wind power in their fields and give up on corn for fuel...how much for an acre of land in Indiana alongside of I 65?....priceless! [ Post made via Android ]

Made these on super bowl Sunday. 8 cakes were GONE!....real quick!....mmm mmm good thanks Bob! [ Post made via Android ]

very many nice catches there Tank...not so many different T shirts though, must be a voodoo thing on success ...great job on the catching! 2012 coming up fast! Mark

That's true trenchfisherman, I wasn't placing a blame on any particular administration for starting it, but merely trying to make a point that this administration is perpetuating a poor decision based on their betterment, not ours as a nation. We have time to aim, fire and shoot only a few alternative energy bullets (along with reducing our energy footprint as a culture). Corn ethanol is a misguided shoot from the hip national waste of one of these precious bullets. I too am tired of rehashing these arguments, but smart well intentioned people are confused. 3 ethanol plants are being built every month, and a year from now there will be 8 built every month, largely coal fired. When the grain ethanol bullet is fired, it will take a decade before the bullet stops. Which is why its important to not go down this path, at least not nationally. As a result of the beautiful US Government subsidies to produce bio-ethanol fuels, and the new legislative mandate, the US refinery industry is investing big time in building new special ethanol distilleries, similar to oil refineries, except they produce ethanol fuel. The number currently under construction exceeds the total number of oil refineries built in the US over the past 25 years. When finished in the next 2-3 years the demand for corn and other grain to make ethanol for car fuel will double from present levels. Sticker shock at the pump will transgress to sticker shock on the food shelves....oh yeah, wait I remember the price of kelloggs corn flakes was really shocking..how bout anyone else...with kids who like their cereal?

Green technology is a nice thought, but to go full blown into all aspects of it is not really for the "Americans". A vote to bring back real values vested in America's own resources that are already working to benefit us would be a great place to start. Not by placing moratoriums on drilling for oil or by denying Americans of trade with friendly countries who wish to share their resource riches with us, such as the oil pipeline from Canada. The current administration has shown little interest in what really works here. There are very few things that all this energy independence divergence to "green" has done for this country, and has cost us all dearly in our own pockets. Putting corn squeezing in our fuel tank robs us of fuel mileage and power and creates more service problems that cost extra money from additives and rubber parts degradation. Same with bio diesel. I would rather see the food stay on the table. as for the environment, well I see all the natural gas needed to render down the corn juice. I can't believe it has replaced the "carbon footprint" by anything. Maybe the price of gas and diesel would not go down if it was pure with no bio fuel but on the other hand have any of you seen the price of gas go down by putting more bio based fuel in the tank at the gas station? So what is it's benefit to the end consumer? Sorry for the rant on Washington, but what are we going to vote on was asked. Someone who is interested in "WE THE PEOPLE"...thanks In the title of the post the fuel was refered to as E-85 in comparison to 100 % gas. I will say that an engine designed to run on the lower energy output of 85% ethanol is an improvement as far as reliability in a reason to accept it as a energy replacement for fossil fuel. however I believe the efficiency goes down in our colder climates and then the blend will be more predominately gasoline to compensate for it. These engines are unique in the way they use alcohol fuel, but they are not cheap if anyone wants to buy one. What the heck an Indy car burns alcohol in a four cylinder engine and produces nearly 1000 hp from it, but I don't think the average American can afford those engines. Therein lies the problem, for most of us the cost of technology advancements in vehicles designed to make use of the newer fuels is placed squarely on the consumers shoulders. You want it?... you pay for it and if it makes you feel good, ....well that is sorta like a guy wetting his pants in a dark suit...nobody notices but you get a warm feeling. And by the way, we are subsidizing this “renewable energy†to the tune of 50 taxpayer-paid cents per gallon. The federal government provides a tax incentive to gasoline blenders (not ethanol producers) to encourage the use of ethanol. This subsidy affects how ethanol’s competitiveness with gasoline. When they find a closed loop system of renewable bio fuel that will actually work where we don't exchange one fuel cycle for another then we will have progress but lets keep at least what we can use for now...our own oil...here...in the USA and Canada. Mark Mark

It was a great game!...Thanks Tim, glad it was at least entertaining for ya! [ Post made via Android ]

Who's yer daddy in the Hoosier state...yehaw!... [ Post made via Android ]

When you start hanging them from the Christmas tree, using them for paper weights, storing them in your garage tool box, hanging them from the bathroom shower rack, getting more lures on your dash of the pickup truck than dust, your live well has become the second tackle box, your wife keeps getting them in the vacuum, AND YOU STILL WANT MORE SPOONS AND FLIES!.....even for Christmas!....then you might be just like me...n o r m a l. It's OK until you find them in bed with you, in your dresser drawer, in the refrigerators....and worst of all!...your wife has a whole bunch in her jewelry box...I call that jewelry box HER tackle box..now she thinks she can have my tackle too! It's true ..its true! [ Post made via Android ]

Eating too much salmon in Rays case made him go bald at an early age (two) and grew hair on his back so thick it needs waxing (every six hours). It also stunted his growth and causes him to miss-spell everything he types (could be the second thumb on his hands). He seldom wears clothes as the body hair makes him look like the "grinch" or Sasquatch. sightings in the woods of stueben county NY have coincided with Rays hunting outings

It's GREEN....of course it'll work.

+1. This winter SUCKS!!!!!!! Specially when the restraunt I was at charged 19 bucks for six lake perch fillets! At least it was useful for justifying all the money spent going for perch 90 miles away in Sodus! See honey? ...Oh yeah, so why don't YOU sell yer catch?...awww crap... always the last word

Ok Thanks I was looking for the green, blue second, love the mood lights, specially for the ladies....er I mean FISH!

They look white, although LED can be a different color. They come in white, blue or green. Can you tell which they are cause the package doesn't show it readily? Mark [ Post made via Android ]

That's why I resisted buying spoons at Bass Pro, last weekend. I got some stick baits I knew I didn't have. Yeah I've learned to inventory my box of lures and most generally I keep buying the ones I know work...if I don't check first. So I have way to many of them or....because they are the go to lures, they are either worn out, or got lost and forgot to replace and then there is none. And yeah I have fly patterns still in package and scattered sometimes due to hasty outings and then they are found like ...WOW!...a treasure...I didn't even know I had those ....or Jeeeze I been lookin for those since last year, and there they are still in the brown paper bag that I never look in. [ Post made via Android ]

If Lake Erie doesn't freeze over and minimal ice flows enter the western basin from the Niagara, there should be an earlier migration of alewive and emerald shinners into the river flow. The salmon will be right with them. I am with Capt Vince on the earlier spread of salmon west to east. Could be a couple weeks or more earlier than years with big ice flows from the Niagara. It will also depend heavily on settled weather with good warming days during April, May. Mark [ Post made via Android ]

Great time as was last year, new friends, new dining experience....only wish "GENERAL TSO" had shown up with his chicken...well frog leg was ok. Wonder if it was chairman Mao that brought it. Mark [ Post made via Android ]

image host Hahaha!....I'm laughing cause that guy coming to do the goby seminar isn't gonna find any here..he should know that brown trout eat gobys all day long.!...see me smiling!...gosh I hope he brings some with him. hosting images Bob, ya know that they got facial recognition software security at this place...they'll never let us in here next year if we don't get a disguise. Hey Hank, I know how...you cut that beard off and I'll stick it on my face and you can carry my goby award to this years seminar. They'll never figure us out!....can you swim? Yeah ...but don't ask me to wear those speedos you were in last time. We don't wanna get tossed out fer causin a scene. [ Post made via Android ]

Tom, dutch means you pay half my bill too! So "Spreekt u het Nederlands?" [ Post made via Android ]

Hey Bob, I didn't fergit yer Adirondack Salmon Chowder....It's useful information....a whole different list and you are a living legend among folks having a reason to name exquisite kitchen culinary prowess and originality. Those who grace this wonderful site will attest and forever cherish your famous recipes. All preceeded by MUSKYBOB'S... Mark [ Post made via Android ]

General Tso's Chicken simply honors a great personality, just as Arthur Wellesley, the Duke of Wellington, is honored in Beef Wellington; Pavel Stroganoff, a 19th-century Russian diplomat, in Beef Stroganoff; Count Charles de Nesselrode (another 19th-century Russian diplomat) in Nesselrode Pudding,; or Australian opera singer Nellie Melba in the dessert, Peach Melba. Indeed some believe it quite likely that the dish was whipped up for the general after some signal victory, just as Chicken Marengo was whipped up for Napoleon after he defeated the Austrians at Marengo on June 14, 1800. Just some useless information for ya Tom, but It's still best if ya read the fortune cookie ONLY AFTER eating it. Looking forward to more candid camera shots for another great story of the BP gathering! [ Post made via Android ]

There are a lot of good guys on here with lots of good info. If you ever get out this way between Rochester and Niagara Falls, drop me a note and we will go hook some kings out here on the western end. Remember, it starts early over here if you happen to be needing some cabin fever relief. I'll be glad to get together with ya! Take care of that back, I hope it works for you. My friend Butch who fishes with me all the time had surgery a year and a half ago on his spine. He is getting better but it was tough for him when on the boat in rough water. Keep well, and you will be back at it in no time. I have fever for the lake already, and its only a short 15 minute ride to the launch at The Oak. Can't wait for the spring brown troll. I'm thinkin about how it might be right now! The weather is warm this winter and there is hardly any ice to hinder the thought of trying it. I think if the ice flow from the Niagara is minimal then the kings will show up a month earlier. Mark [ Post made via Android ]

wonder how they were able to walk on the bottom side of the ice....creepy

Jeff I use the Scotty stackers with the 48 inch leader or the 30 inch (makes hooking the rod line easier if you have longer leader ones) if you have shorter booms and set the clip to the tight position. They are adjustable by the little tab at the back of the clip, just pull it to make tighter or push it forward towards the clip end to lessen the pinch. The small adjustable dipsey is the choice towed on a mono 30 lb line and set it on a 2.5 or 3 to plane out away from the cable to the side. Be careful not to lower the ball fast, just go slow down to your depth on the ball. If you go down too fast it will cause the dipsey to flip over and tangle itself. A nice easy drop kinda like you pay out line for a rod dipsey. When bringing the ball back up just be sure to stop the cable before the stacker if you are using electric downriggers. Manual riggers you will have no problem with but it is easy to forget the ball coming up when sidetracked on a multitask. I have lost a couple stackers that way so now I take the time to place a stop bead before the stacker hits the end pulley. Yes you are correct ball down 30 dipsey out 90 to 100 clip it to the cable and send the ball down to your selected depth. the dipsey will then be near the same depth as the ball but trailing back and out to the side about 20 to 30 feet. Very deadly on fish coming to the middle of the set who might be a little cable shy and then peel away and see the dipsey offering as a second chance bite. Calm waters are always a best time for multi line sets! Good luck with it. It's a little time consuming and a challenge to set up until you get used to it, but is rewarding a lot of times. Mark adult image hosting Scotty Stacker Release... 48 inch leader