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Good luck Chad, working in the IT Field I know how even the simplest "upgrades" can be a challenge and go sideways no matter how much you prep. I hope this one of the smooth ones. Thanks for your hard work.

Problems not just the DEC the courts are the real issue, at least in Monroe County. DEC officer answered questions a few years ago a the GCBA meeting and he said all the tickets they wrote for stream issues, not one got a conviction. I get the DEC officers mindset of why write a ticket if it just going to be ignored. Problem is the same courts that deal with rapist, murders and other physical assault type crimes also deal with these tickets. Most judges just don't care about a snaggers or someone keeping five fish over their limit when the next guy on the docket murdered somebody. They need to separate the courts, I would love to see the DEC tickets have a court similar to traffic court. That way the court just deals with these cases and they don'y get lost in the sea other crimes. Oh yeah, and once hunting season starts, guns pretty much trump rods manpower wise.

Brian: When they showed a chart on Lake Trout abundance and when it showed major declines in the population they made the remark that when lampreys get out of their control is when these major downward spikes occur. Stocking at current levels is probably fine as long as lamprey are in control. The problem is rebuilding the breeding age and size population when the lampreys get out of control. They site the lag time from stocking to maturity to breeding age to be the reason they keep for the current levels. They also basically spelled out very clearly that there is a very large segment of people who support the native species restoration programs, not just lake trout but walleye and others) and we should be careful not to try to make it one sided the way of salmoniods. Basically the native species restoration is going to continue and will trump our wants if push comes to shove. That's why no matter what the alewife situation is, if the lake trout trawls show the lake trout population get below there targets they will automatically restore the cuts they are making and more than likely increase stocking numbers of lakers. Salmon on the other hand only get the stocking cut removed when certain conditions met with the big one being alewife numbers.

Brian one point they made last night about the lakers is if they see the very large lakers being taken of the out system big numbers they most certainly expand laker stocking. There whole target number system is based on larger female they get in netting studies. They loose the mature females then they up laker stocking to make up for that production. They say if we want laker population removed through keeping fish that we would be more effective in catching the smaller ones so we don't trigger their stocking "alarms"

Jerry maybe I misunderstood about the eggs from Canada. They are asking Canada to take extra eggs in case we need them but from what I heard they are not overly eager to actually take them unless they absolutely need to. They talked about the fact that for legal / regulation reasons we cannot directly give Canadians our eggs and while we can take theirs, it is a regulatory headache. So my understanding is that things have to be pretty bad on our side of collection / eye up for them to want to go through the hoops to get those eggs. So while I would love to see those Canadian eggs in injected in to our stocking I was under the impression the chances were fairly low in the big scheme.

Brian it went pretty much like you would imagine. They laid out the trawl numbers and how there were two year classes that for all purposes are missing. They had some number of them in the trawls but the numbers were small enough that they pretty much show as missing in a bar graph. Therefore they are purposing a 20% cut across the lake reduction in Kings and Lakers. Actually the numbers are really a 12% cut to Salmon River and a 21.9 to every other port. They are justifying the salmon river number under the we need to ensure there is enough fish available to get our eggs. Discussion about the Laker cut pretty much summed it up as they were throwing us a bone. With Laker growth rates and prey diversity any cuts they do now would have no impact for 5 years. But since there target laker population is high enough right now they are willing to do it. But at the first sign the population goes to or below there target they stocking levels go back to original numbers. King stocking levels will only go back when conditions are right. Mainly alewife levels are back to "normal". They also announce current pen numbers are going to stay but any movement of ration between direct stock and pen the pen will count as 2 fish. Another words if we currently have 100,000 pen kings and 400,000 direct and we want now to have another 100,00 added to pen that means they remove 200,000 fish from direct stock for that move. They also stated that as they are wrapping up pen study that they believe that pen fish and direct stock fish are equal in there homing of there stocked streams. Or conversely the stray of the pen fish and direct stocks to other stream and rivers than where they were release is equal.

Found this boga earlier in the year. I don't trust the scale but has worked great for reviving fish and under $14 with free shipping if you have Amazon prime. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B013659FY2/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o09_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

I agree, but that one is on the Army Corps. The Daniele's will have caviar pricing for docks, miss out on catering to the target audience and will most likely get mired in zoning issues trying to pull some crazy upgrade they feel need to do but isn't needed for that place to be successful. Every project they have has had issues like that, car washes, resturants, condos. Unfortunately this whole thing could have been a boon for the lake but because of the issue you mentioned and most likely how this will go down it is going to be a bummer.

How come I get the idea with these guys running the place the slips will be the most expensive ones in the area and be mired in controversy trying to get anything done. All there projects turn into a circus. http://www.whec.com/news/daniele-management-development-will-operate-braddock-bay-marina/4229891/?cat=565