two flys gone on the same day , and one the next trip out last fall LOC derby fishing, picked some clear snobers up at fat nancy and talked with one of there sales guys who runs a charter and he told me that snobbers would stop that from happening and that was a calmin problem , , not too mention my one dipsy rod was going all morning and the other one was not doing anything with the same set up , pulled it up no fly , no wonder that rod did nothing lol . snobbers 4 me