Thanks guys for info .. I appreciate it .. most of my time has been chasing Walleye's on Onedia Lkae .. this is step up and I am looking forward to next year .. but as usual .. more "stuff" .. wire, copper, down riggers, big rods & reels, flashers, spin doctors, flies ... and oh ya .. not to mention that thing you attache to the down rigger that measures temerature, speed and light .. i guess ill be doing my aprt to keep this economy going .. and try not to end up in the poor house and divorse court!! :roll: