dmd113

Like I stated, I never met the guy. I have watched some of his you tube videos, but I have also watched dozens of videos put on by various other charter captains & posted Tournament videos. I'm all for punishing anyone who is caught breaking laws. As an individual I respect those who deserve it! I have seen many practices & behaviors on the water I don't agree with. I don't come on an open forum to publicize this to"hurt his business" or "cost them sponsors". To attack someone on an open forum only gives more ammo to the anti outdoor lobbyists. I don't make a dime off fishing or hunting but spend 1000's on boat upkeep,fishing/hunting gear & supplies. I'm smart enough to make my own decisions & do my own research when choosing or recommending an outfitter. So I only recommend or give my opinions on products & people I have personally dealt with. I would bet a finger some of the people who have attacked this guy, have in some way at sometime bent the rules or done something questionable according to the law. JMO

DQ'd for cheating & can no longer participate! Don't matter. The bashing hasn't been limited to his offense. It clearly is personal to a few who fish that end of the lake. But I know karma has a habit of biting one in the backside. So have at it.

Not circular logic. 1) He broke the law? 2) He was arrested or ticketed. 3) He was punished. The outrage is that he was a licensed & trusted member of the outdoor community? If this is the case,why has no one started a campaign on LOU to run down Charter Captains who were DQ'd from tournaments? I see that posters didn't care for the guy before this happened. If this was someone that they liked the cry might not be as loud. JMO

If you read comments made by the posters mocking videos & outdoor shows done by this company, you would see that there is was no "love" for these guys prior to the offense! You are correct. Everyone screws up once in life. He will take whatever punishment that is handed out. No one has addressed my original question about skippers. I know they are undersized & must go back even if dead. But for a charter to continue to troll through them , killing multiple undersized fish,to pick up an occasional keeper to put in the "cooler" Is this not done for $? The answer will be "It's not illegal " Great we use the laws on the books! Then we should also abide by the penalties imposed on the people who break those laws!

So it matters what kind of criminal act is committed? It's convenient & dangerous to use your own personal biases to decide an offenders punishment. My point still is that the law should handle it. YOU fail to understand that using this mind set We should encourage LOU members to show up at your workplace with signs urging the employer to fire any member who is arrested. If you want tougher laws, take steps to make sure it happens. It's far too easy to sit behind a computer & call for blood.JMO

Weren't you the guy who recommended a guy not become a charter Capt on this site because there was no $ in it? I don't agree with your math & attempt to count charter fees as all profit!We all know that they don't get rich on charters & $15000 isn't weekends picking up trash along the highway. This in addition to all legal fees & lost business!This isn't a death sentence but I believe this is a sizable penalty.

So answer the question! Is any member subject to the wrath of LOU members or just the ones you pick? I gotta figure rallying the troops to attack sponsorship may have repercussions! I don't think the site should be put in that situation. If you want to run a Facebook campaign go for it! JMO

You are missing my point! At the beginning of my post I clearly stated what he did was wrong! I don't condone what he did. If I read correctly it will cost him $15000 total $5000 fine+ $10000 donation to waterfowl charity & 2 years no waterfowl hunting. While still facing possible further court actions. Not the death penalty but $15000 isn't weekends doing public service. LOU isn't about airing "grievances" or personal attacks! But I will ask you the same question.Do you feel any member should be fair game? DWI, domestic violence dispute.. etc ? Wife beater vs poacher? Who's worse? Because this also sounds personal!

Then you feel any member should be fair game? DWI, domestic dispute? Because this sounds personal!

Chas0218 I get what you're saying but HARVESTING ALL BUT THE TEN ROWS OF CORN IN FRONT OF YOUR STAND IS PRETTY MUCH THE SAME THING AT LONGER RANGE! HUNTING GEESE WHERE BEATERS CHASE & FLUSH THE FLOCK AFTER THEY HAVE LANDED IN FOOD PLOTS, TO FLY OVER SHOOTING PITS? I'm talking about the entire LOU membership. Do they all follow the law to the letter? I think not. MY TAKE IS THE LAW HANDLES IT! SHOULD WE POST OTHER MEMBERS DWI'S OR ANY OTHER CRIMINAL ACTS ON HERE? No we shouldn't & that's not what the site is here for. JMO

First I know what he did is illegal & wrong. Second, I have never met the man & have nothing to gain or lose here. I have watched videos on YouTube. I know I'm going to tick some guys off here but there are several different practices that I think are done regularly by guides & members that are questionable at best. Does anyone think, throwing back skippers & other fish that have been dragged or mortally injured during the fight, that we know are dead or going to die , to avoid use in creel count, is OK? We all know it happens regularly as Captains & weekend warriors run through skippers mixed with juveniles to get clients & themselves fish for the "cooler"! Does keeping fish that are hooked outside of the mouth when they swiped at a bait & missed OK as well? How about the guys that regularly sell their catch? OK TOO? Does planting acres of corn,soy beans, clover,turnips & setting blind or shooting house at the edge of these fields really anything other than hunting over a large bait pile? This guy cut corners & cheated for $! But it happens to some extend daily by some of your friends & colleagues every day! His actions are public knowledge & still has pending actions & consequences in court. So while I don't condone his actions, I don't think this guy deserves the wrath of this site either! JMO

Yes Olcott did the "extensive work needed" by stacking palettes & covering them with plywood! So realistically they could be opened in the same time it takes them to cut the grass!

The state launch side was open the last two weekends. You will need hip boots to get to the floating docks!

Look online reel excitement charters Capt Bob Songin, does an at the bar report almost every day if not in tournament https://www.facebook.com/Reel-Excitement-Charters-249100315256173/?hc_ref=SEARCH&fref=nf

Oak Orchard is open