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I would imagine the vast majority of naturals are from parents that spawned in November/December.

Maybe someone can chime in here that knows for sure but I don't think the reservoir is that deep so probably not a huge difference in the temp from top to bottom.

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These are the two letters that went out in the spring. They went to Senators, the Governor, DEC higher ups. The idea was to make everyone aware of the situation so if we have a catastrophe at Altmar nobody can say....."we didn't know". I received return letters from Steve LaPan and Gov. Cuomo. Feel free to use the format when you send letters to our officials.

Forum Nazi......no scoop for you !!

They don't spend much time in that hole. THey shoot the river pretty quick. You could try it but it will be hit or miss. If you don't hit fish in front of the green can in the tail-out, then shoot out to the 50-70' depth and try the quickfish. In the very least there will be Lakers out there to play with.

Momentum = Mass X Velocity. My bow is a Martin Prowler mid-level bow that maybe shoots 250 f/s. Can't do anything about the speed part of the equation as I have it maxed out at 65 lbs so I decided to play with heavy arrows this year. They fly the same as my lighter arrows with a noticeable drop coming at 25 yards as oppose to 30 yards with lighter arrows. I am losing 5 yards of distance, but I don't shoot long distances. I did not use any chronograph, completely non-scientific with my set-up.

I will be using 500 grain arrows this season. I have noticed I have to turn my target sideways with an angled board behind it because my arrows are going thru it. You don't need the Ashby system as it is overkill for whitetails. You will also be shooting $80-120.00 per arrow if Ashby had his way.

Put a lojack in some of those cameras and catch the fers

It would be easy to make the assumption that the reduction in King catch rates for mature salmon the last two years was the result of a "secret" reduction in stocking numbers to reduce predation on the infant Bloater Chub program, however, I would doubt that is true as stocking numbers are bound by international treaty with Canada. The reduction in King stocking numbers happened a LONG time ago as a result of the changing food web due to pressures from exotic species and reduced nutrient loading in the lakes. The Bloater Chub program will probably benefit Lake Trout reproduction and could boost size of mature salmon. Nobody can say yet if the plankton-eating whitefish will help or hurt the overall sport fishing landscape yet.

Standard staging king trolling tactics.

A few clipped fish found there way there.

I had my boat slipped a couple of years in Youngstown. Other than the LOC Derbys......virtually nobody fishes the bar. Enjoy the solitude......and the fish Stillfishing.

Davy, your December Kings you speak of in the rivers have always been there. As you know there are runs in September, October, November.....and even as late as March. I am sure there has been some "artificial selection" happening as the droves of bank meat fishermen leave to fill the deer woods in November, the fish don't have to survive the gauntlet and actually successfully spawn in water cold enough to create naturals. If fishermen are saying they are not seeing fish in the rivers in September or October then does that not speak to the state of our stocking program as these early runners are probably stockers and not naturals as water temps are too warm for successful reproduction? We lost a year class of stockers last year.....nobody will convince me otherwise. Last year will be a blip on the screen but it has brought to light the state of Altmar. I think if you were still running charters you might be a little more worried about the physical state of the hatchery. We are all not "whining" that we are not catching enough fish......I have never fished better in my life. We have legitimate concerns.

Davy, I have a signed letter from Steve LePan in my possession that states money is not the problem. I was planning on posting my dealings with the state in off-season.