Gill-T

Not as you would think. Somebody caught on underwater camera that a sliding cheater will eventually end up about 4' above the main line release. It takes awhile to get there and you can follow it down on your fishfinder. The less tension on the rod or heavier main line will effect a greater bow in the line due to drag and the cheater will be more likely to hang out there.

Can't do the Friday event. Leaving after work. Not sure if people are meeting Friday night anywhere?

Try this visual and see if it helps. Spoon with a snap with a leader to a barrel 7' away. Deploy that spoon however far back from the ball you want. Clip line into release (blacks). Send down the line 8' down and stop your rigger. Now place your cheater on the main line and fix it to the downrigger cable ( for this I use an OR-16 release on the cable and a rubber band to connect to the cheater release. Now send them down to the desired depth. Your rod will fire twice as there are two release points. Much better hook-up ratio compared to a free slider esp. when getting into steelhead or coho that like to head straight up and jump. The red swivel snap is the cheater swivel (minus the mono cheater leader). The mail line runs thru the cheater swivel.

Because I "leader down", my main line has a ball bearing barrel swivel 7' above a duolock snap/lure so the slider will slide down and hang on the barrel and not reach the lure. This has allowed me to cheat a spoon above a flasher. There are little nuances to keep them from getting together. For example, when raising your downriggerball up, catch the cheater with a boat hook before it runs all the way down. I usually fix my cheaters so I can move my riggers up and down and not worry about getting the two baits together, but if you are running sliders, you really want to start your riggers high and only move them down if needed. Moving a rigger up with a free slider will get the two baits closer than I want.

The canadians had a weather buoy out off the niagara fence area. Supposedly it is not there anymore and I never did hear what happened to it. Not sure if it was lost or they decommissioned it.

What type of motor? mounting off a swim platform? or motor mount?

I know the surface temp readings measure down 30' so that sounds about right. Maybe someone could call NOAA and confirm the GPS coordinates of the buoys. Might be listed somewhere also. I nominate Baitrigger! Hehe.

NOAA offers bottom water temp readings so that could only mean one thing......an underwater buoy.

Nick, PM sent. Team Gill-T Hooker would like to partake.

What he said, but you will need the Blacks release with the clasp still attached so the release is fixed. Just add a downrigger swivel to attach the downrigger ball.

Look at the picture at the top. You dip half of the clasp in the material and let it harden. Once hardened you take a razor blade and slice a slit in the material.

Nice shooting boys.

I don't know if they found that boat and boater that went missing out of Wilson last year or two ago.

Those type of products can be reproduced by dipping a clasp in liquid tool rubberized and letting it harden. Make a slit in the rubber for your main line to fit into.

They can get 12"-15". They exploded on the scene with the warm decade as we are on the northern edge of their range. I noticed the last two winters really knocked them down. This spring I did not see any in Olcott Harbor.

Yes I have had multiple law enforcement officers,on this site and elsewhere, offer to help. The serial number is in the system.

Adult gizzard shad

I tried it. I never had a problem with breakage but I didn't like the stiffness as it coiled easier than Malin. I do use the AFW downrigger cable and like it.