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Looking at all the teams in the AM division that need observers this late in the game has me thinking, DO WE REALLY NEED THEM?.....or at least BOTH DAYS? This is the single most exhaustive thing I do. I start 6 months in advance. It has taken up so much of my time and added so much stress that I honestly am contemplating not fishing these events next year or going to the open division ( and compete against 4 teams?). There has to be a better way.

Legendary ride. Mike, Capt. Pete Alex runs a Walleye/Steelhead event in Erie every year I have been getting good with leadcore hint hint.

As is the case with braid, always make sure the line guide lines up with the wire coming off the spool......so if you retie keep that in mind or snap goes the dipsy. Wire is more brittle than braid so NO bass-hook sets to trip the dipsy, just put your thumb on the spool and sweep back from 10:00 to 12:00 position. Don't jiggle the rod to get fleas or debris off the line.....the weight of the dipsy bouncing can snap the wire.

When spooling, get an assistant. Place a pencil or similar item thru the spool to act like a spindle. Have your assistant hold the spool with oven mits on and apply pressure to the spool so the wire goes on TIGHT. Termination is easy with a wire line knot. http://www.lotsa.org/Wire%20Line%20Knot.htm

Sometimes when the fish are high.....you will not mark them on the fishfinder and therefore fish below them. If you are not marking anything, temps are good, bait around.....try running some short leadcore segments off the boards. If you don't have leadcore you could run a lure with a keel weight, rubber core sinker or split shot for high lines on the outside (longer leads), and pinch-on pad style heavier weights with shorter leads on the inside lines. The greater the variety of types of spreads you have in your arsenal, the greater chance you have of "figuring it out". A lot of trollers also keep closer to the shore......try right down the middle of the lake. Always seems to be a good idea on the fingers to have a couple of baits for lakers in the 80'-90' down region....so riggers that deep and dipsys on wire or braid out 250-300'.

Still looking for an observer for the Orleans Co. event at Oak Orchard June 11,12.

Good green water out deep with a lots'o steelhead where you stated. The Kings are still spotty. The inside waters are still stagnant, stained ......crap. Short leadcore segments killed them today. I want my spoon back big giant jumping steelhead!!!!!!!!! As an indication of how screwed up the inside waters are, we caught a laker over 380 fow on a 6 color.

For the cost....the Shimano Charter specials are hard to beat.

Ray, I keep seeing this pink theme....pink shirts, pink bed skirts, pink towel lent to Rod. For what is worth (not much), I put eyes stickers on every spoon I own. Esp. the mag 3/8" eyes. I saw some underwater footage using the walkervision of a steelhead pulling along side a lure, turning it's head to look at it and then nail it. Since then I look at every part of the lure as important esp. the swivel and the hook.

Any black streak remover on the magic eraser will remove most stains. The problem is usually dirt getting embedded in the wax. Black streak remover removes the wax from the wash and wax products we typically use on fiberglass.

Still need an observer for the Orleans event.......come on Rochester and Batavia fishermen.....I would like to hear from you. Good way to learn.

I hope that is not your game room!

Thanks Ray and others. Pretty bed skirt too!

Still looking so if interested please PM me. Thanks.

Thanks guys. I had an old timer show me once on Canandaigua his hand-line technique. He used a dacron mainline and had leaders spaced 7' apart. I guess there are lots of variations of a common theme. I am still looking for a good picture of a handline or "seth green" rig....esp. one being used on the water to be used in an article I am submitting to GLA. PM me if you have a good photo. Thanks.

I am trying to find the most accurate information on these two tactics. I am getting conflicting stories. I imagine what some people call a Seth Green rig has evolved over the years hence the discrepancy. I thought the original Seth Green rig was just a method....an organizer of boxes to keep all the rigging separate as you deploy and retrieve the leaders. Later some people fashioned a winding system with a Victrola record recorder? I had someone recount how a occilating system tied into the oars of the boat, raised and lowered the rigs with each oar-stroke. I talked to another fisherman and he stated the "Seth Green rig" is run off a meat stick-heavy rod and reel. Could someone chime in and set the record straight for me. Thanks.

That east wind must have been blowing 'cuz Richard's gotee was going from left to right. Nice Browns boys.

PLENTY of hooks to fish over from Weller to 4-mile! As Vince said, lots of bait. My take was the east wind or lack there of was not moving the water around. Completely stagnant. Low oxygen meant lethargic fish that were well fed. Did not see any streaking, just hooks stationary. Even in the smelt schools on the bottom, there were hooks just sitting on top of them. It is no coincidence that the winning team was fishing in the oxygen rich waters in front of the green can. Congrats to the winners....ballzy move to fish there. Congrats to Kevin on a great event and tablefare!!! To those wanting to fish the coming weekends.....wait for some West winds and WATCH OUT, the fishing should be great. Nobody took fish in the ESLO or this tournament so there are a lot of fish in the system. Special thanks to Lake O for giving me the first skunk of the year

72 views.....anyone? Start times?.....anyone?.......Bueller?

Did not see a start time for Friday's event. I assume you can leave the dock at any time?

I did not notice any difference. Generally, I am trying to lighten my flies for a better whip/action. Now, I dip the trebles in Smelly Jelly.

Run mag dipsys. The steeper dive curve will keep the two from getting together.

Take the gulp off after using it. I tried gulp sections on trebles but was dissapointed to see the stuff melts plastic when it comes in contact. Some of my Capt. John King flashers have some holes in them

Looking for interested observers for the Niagara Pro/am --Captain's meeting is Friday June 3th at 6:00pm, then both tournament days Saturday June 4th, and Sunday June 5th. Also looking for the Orleans Pro/Am the following weekend--Captain's meeting is Friday June 10th, Sat. 11th, Sun. 12th. PM me if interested.

Woody, I prefer the jig/minnow because it means light spin tackle. Sometimes you have to put a stinger hook on to catch nippers. Check lines often as zebra shells will fray your line. The fight these lakers put up in the oxygen rich water of the Niagara flow is a whole different fish than the boots you drag up with trolling gear.