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Does copper run the same depth per foot as steel? I see some running copper back 400ft off a dipsy? I have 1 pole set up with copper but I have not used it yet. Need some suggestions as well.

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Nice catch...I heard of white fish but can not find them. Your the first boat I heard using them. Where can i get them?

Yes...WE do...Git-R-Done Howie Nola - Boat docked at Olcott A10...Cell # 716-704-9242

Stuck foot in mouth again.....you are becoming my idol as well Ray. It is fair to say, do not tell Ray when you oops....Like today when I put a brand new ball on rigger and did not lock clip and it is now on the bottom of Ontario.

Ray, Did you ever get a responce to How you know what direction fish is going? I am curious, because I have no clue.

Ray, 30 mph seems pretty fast...lol

Is there a phone number or web site where I can contact them to order by mail?

Zeb, The amount of blowback is different from each boat I would think plus, speed and ball weight. I run a Thompson and I put down 3' cable before I hit water. Why I run 7 1/2 - 8' med - light rods so I can get my tips closer to the water. Having 25 degree you should be about 5' difference.

On the left side of my boat I have a Ray Jefferson speed and temp probe that runs off a transducer so I need to keep my cable kinda tite to the boat to get my reading. This year we out a Cannon SnT on the right side. The nice part of the cannon it tells you the depth as well. What this told me is my rigger says 50' in reality I am only at 42' using 12 LB balls. On the side riggers, which I always run deeper that the rigger shows 60' In reality I am down 49'. I went out to the boat and on my side riggers I exstended the booms from 30" to 42" plus I added one pound to my side rigger balls and 1/2 lb to my rear rigger balls,now when the rigger shows 60' I am at 55' and the rear 50' now 45' now I can make my adjustments to put them in the strike zone. This will also allow me to make the necessary turns when the traffic is heavy. All 4 riggers are now running about 20 degrees or less at 3.0 troll speed and less when I run 2.2 - 2.5. Hopefully no more tangles.........

Thanks. I will try that.

A while back I remember seeing some conversation on this topic. Where can I get this antenna from? My signal goes in and out after about 60 feet.

When I was looking for the entry form I called Bob Cinelli and he told me you can no longer through a legal fish back. You must keep the first 6 legal fish, which is 18"in the pro/am. They also eliminated the bonus or 7th fish. It is 6 fish only.

Try www.wilsonnewyork.com

Thats why I said message clear. I got enough info from you guys and now and now its trial and error. Just need to get the basics back and what has changed over the years. But it never hurts to ask when you run into situations. This is a great site with great fisherman......just keep it safe

Thanks gentlemen. I know how much more wire I need to get to the depth I want. What happened is on the new riggers the boom is 24". On the old riggers the boom was 30". This was the first time I was using all 4 riggers and i got tangled with the rigger on the port side. A mess a you can imagine especially with a slider on the front rigger. This never happened and the only change is the boom lengths. Once I got the mess cleaned up I put my front rigger on a slite angle and no more tangles. I think if I extend the boom on the side riggers I should not have a problem. I just thought this happened to someone else and they came up with a better fix. Thanks for the help and info. I still want to see the response on how you know the direction of the fish.

Thanks Ray. The only thing I am worried about is the side riggers are old, brain fart, forgot their name. The 2 in back are new Scotties. To much wait may burn out the motors. The only reason I asked is I was reading some tips on the Oak and it said you should not have more than a 30 Degree angle on your riggers.

If there are any suggestions on this problem please respond. I have 2 riggers off the back and I use 12 LB weights. The riggers are at about 10 degrees when I am trolling and both rear riggers are on a SnT units. The unit has about a 4 foot difference then the counter. My problem is on my side riggers. My rear riggers have a 24" booms and my side riggers have 30" Booms. The only 2 things I thought I could try is to either extend the booms to 4' and run 13LB balls. I hate to buy 2 13 Lb balls and that not help, so I was trying to buy the 1LB led balls and hooking them to my weights I have but I can not find 1LB leds. Does anyone have any suggestions? I did find a chart that shows how far down you are at a certain degree and cable out but I would really like to decrease that degree I am at now. Right now for me to get down to lets say 60', I have to let out 78' of cable. Thanks.

Message clear......Good Luck

Team Git-R-Done is also looking for an Observer for thr Niagara Pro/Am. We will pay the same rate the pros due for both days and we also will extend an invite to fish Thursday and Friday as well.

Definition of Ametuer - Fisherman less experienced than his partner, normally a team used in a Pro/Am style tournament, also describes angler who does not earn a living fishing, does not have Captain appearing before their name, also does not except gratuities or equipment when participating in a competition.

Paulo, I spoke with Bob and he hooked me up with Bill and I got the registration form. Thanks for the help, see ya on the 28th. Fish safe, have fun.....Good Luck Howie

Now that all the rule discussion has calm down, WHERE ARE THE 2008 APPLICATIONS? Does anyone know how you register and where?

There are 2 ways to look at this. Either all the teams in AM division have a say in the rules or none of them. To say there was a kinda meeting after the Sodus weight in on Saturday should not sway the rule committe. There what 3 or 4 tournaments up and down Ontario and not all teams fish all the tournaments. If your gonna be fair and you want input from each division you notify each team and have a vote over the internet. But me personally I think you leave the rules up to the committee and go out and fish hard but have fun in the process. I applaud the committees who have put this together and I think it is a good time for everyone. I am looking forward in meeting more teams this year a listen to all the stories and experiences. Fish safe have fun and take a kid fishing.

Thanks Ray