Fat Trout

I just have to respectfully add that that the "cooler take" recreational and charter is taking from a smaller percentage which are those fish who passed all of the predation and other issues and became viable to catch and keep. Not 70,000 out of millions but something smaller. I remember a thread on here a few months back, perhaps last fall where there was a pounding focus on tributary impact with browns. Lake guys pointing out the trib impact. These numbers are what keep us guessing. Be it browns, kings, steelies or lakers, dead fish don't get caught again. I think everyone can agree on that

I agree....everything is a cycle. No selling here.....I'm back in with a new boat this year after 3-4 years off after my father passed. I river fish but I love the lake.

Yeah I hear you but we all know only a fraction become adults. Fishing the salmon river I'm fishing the primary return stream. There just aren't millions of salmon going up that sucker.....not even a half mil....I can assure you of that. Jeeze last year they were having a hard time getting the 2K hens they needed at the hachery to fill quota. Just to clarify too...I really wasn't trying to make it a charter comment. Only that there are a lot of perspectives. Your math helps too but as you're saying, where the heck are they going.

I wouldn't go to idiotic. There are just different perspectives and some folks are only part of one side so they only see that one side. We all just need to understand there is a lot to understand about what goes on. His comment comes in as sort of the same tributary fishing vs lake fishing sort of comment. I fish both the lake and river and have done so for a long time. I always love the tributary guys who bust balls about keeping trout from a stream.......(lake guys too who point at the tributary guys). I've told river guys....You should see what leaves in white coolers daily from the boats without even a second look. I've also told them that is can be hard as hell to sucessfully release a fish from a large boat especially in the summer. There are also scenes of complete and total destruction in streams when browns / steelies go into some smaller tribs. I've seen things I choose to forget. Its a put and take fishery....bottom line. And yes cooler loads of fish do add up. This spring was pretty awesome as I understand from Rochester & west for kings. I read here or somewhere that someone knew someone who chartered who had put 700 kings in the box.....700!!!! and that was by like June or so. Cut that in half for the bullcrap factor and thats still a lot of fish. For the average lake user (be it ignorant or educated to the lake), hear large numbers like that from one boat and know that there are lots of lake users (Rec. and Charter) from Niagara to Henderson and it doesn't take a math wizard to start to formulate some potential catch numbers (and opinions). I'll add that I kept hearing about how good the 2 year class was and know a lot of guys were finishing out their trips searching for those while the lockjaw matures were hard to come by. I have to admit I started to wonder how next years class will really be if it started out great but got pounded. I guess we'll see. Just saying.

I fish the lower river (DSR) quite a few days Sept /October. I guess it was 3-4 years ago or so when tons and I mean TONS of fish came in early. At the same time we knew about the fin clipping project so we could tell hatchery from natural. From 3rd week in August straight through 3rd week in September 90% of the fish that came through were unclipped (ie natural). They were the early fish. At the last week of Sept and into first week of Oct....here came the hatchery fish, nearly all had the adopise fin clip. As far as the reservoir. There are 2...upper and lower. The upper is in Redfield and the lower is just north of Altmar. The upper has the bigger volume larger surface area but as a whole is relatively shallow. They feed from the upper to the lower Res and the river is fed from the dam at the lower res. The lower res is relatively small. Neither is capable of a cold water bottom feed they just warm up too much based on lack of overall depth / volume. There has definitely been a larger presence of early fish in the last 10 years. Those of us who fish the river (and I've been doing that for 30 years) see these early birds as the natural fish (confirmed pretty well by the clipping project which is now over). These are the ones you see dead up through the river when the water is warm. They started the base flows in the summer (@ 185CFS) back in 1996. Its taken a while but the natural reproduction has picked up steam. It varies of course.....but 3 years ago (if I remember right) It was shocking how many fish came in early....just crazy. every day was loads of fish...for a month and none of them were clipped.

Hi, Yes it has the 83/200khz - 455/800 khz transducer ....you can see it noted on the lable on the photo of the top of the box....kind of small but its noted there as xdcr. It also has the Navionics + micro SD card ...its packaged separately in the box (i checked). Thanks Kevin

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