I dunno what our deal is but we had a terrible weekend. We tried everything. spoons, flies, cut bait. had out 2 riggers, copper, and braided dipsey. I am littleraly about to give up here after we have had 0 good trips out of like 6 since we started doign this on our own. Didnt even boat one stinking fish all weekend long Friday was probably the best as we fished like 2 hours and had 2 on which both got off and were both on cut bait. Saturday blew with only like a couple hits in the morning trip and a couple in the evening. nothign hooked. Sunday wasnt much better. only a few hits with one hooked which seems to be a monster that i fought for about 10 min and couldnt move it then it got off. that also on cut bait on the copper. sunday night one hit right away on a fly then nothing else. we fished in 80-120 feet doing 1.8-2.2 at the ball and temps 43-50. i thought for sure wed be set this year. i spend a ton of money buying all this stuff. new humminbird 797csi earlier in the year and a few hundered on flies spindoctors and attractors and spoons and a cannon speed n temp. which we ended up losing the receiver when a friend put up the downrigger too much and snapped off the ball and there went everything. Any chance cannon would send a replacement???) i dont get it what was going wrong? all this stuff now and still no better. althought many many peole we talked to didnt farew to well either. all weekend. even the guys on the radio didnt seem to be doing a lot. maybe a few guys got a couple fish and one here or there with like 6 or something but wasnt impressed at all. is there better areas then others? like western end? i didnt realize the depths are way different in pulaski then oswego. takes forever to get out to 100ft off salmon river and oswego your there in no time. weve always done oswego first time on the salmon this year. i dunno unless its totally us it doesnt seem worth keep going back and not having good trips. champlain seems like a better deal as they have great bass fishin and the trout and salmon. my dad said back in the 80s it was fantastic. he used to go out with a charter jim wells out of port bay and they would always load up on fish and always get a nice v ariety lakers browns steelies kings, and the numbers were always there not just a couple. what happeened? it obvously has changed in 25 years as everything does and usually its never for the better. can anyone recommend another area where we can have a nice trip with a nice number of fish? i heard niagara area is very good. very tired of going away and coming back disappointed.