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They want your guns Would-be appointees quizzed on guns Buzz Up Send Email IM Share Digg Facebook Newsvine del.icio.us Reddit StumbleUpon Technorati Yahoo! Bookmarks Print Jonathan Martin Jonathan Martin – Thu Nov 20, 5:46 pm ET Featured Topics: Barack Obama Presidential Transition AP – Rachel Smith, 32, of Richmond, looks over shotguns at the Bob Moates sport shop in Richmond, Va., Thursday, … Play Video Video: Aide: Obama on track to nominate Clinton AP Play Video Video: Obama's Transition Team Filling Jobs CBS 2 Chicago Play Video Video: Obama assembling Cabinet Reuters President-elect Barack Obama’s transition team is asking potential appointees detailed questions about gun ownership, and firearms advocates aren’t happy about it. The National Rifle Association has denounced the move, which has already led one Republican senator to consider legislation aimed at ensuring a president can’t use an applicant’s gun ownership status to deny employment. It’s just one question on a lengthy personnel form — No. 59 on a 63-question list — but the furor over the query is a vivid reminder of the intensity of support for Second Amendment rights and signals the scrutiny Obama is likely to receive from the ever-vigilant gun lobby. Obama’s transition team declined to go into detail on why they included the question, suggesting only that it was done to ensure potential appointees were in line with gun laws. “The intent of the gun question is to determine legal permitting,†said one transition aide. But even some Democrats and transition experts are baffled by the inclusion of the question. Tucked in at the end of the questionnaire and listed under “Miscellaneous,†it reads: “Do you or any members of your immediate family own a gun? If so, provide complete ownership and registration information. Has the registration ever lapsed? Please also describe how and by whom it is used and whether it has been the cause of any personal injuries or property damage.†Paul Light, professor of public service at New York University, said there was no such question for potential appointees when President George W. Bush took office in 2000. “It kind of sticks out there like a sore thumb,†Light said. He expressed uncertainty over why it was included but surmised it was out of an abundance of caution, a desire to avoid the spectacle of a Cabinet-level or other high-ranking appointee who is discovered to have an unregistered handgun at home. “It’s the kind of thing that, if dug out, could be an embarrassment to the president-elect,†Light said. Clay Johnson, deputy director of management at the Office of Management and Budget and the head of Bush’s 2000 transition, also didn’t quite understand the purpose of the question. “It could be their way to say to prospects that they will have to answer all these questions sooner or later, so be prepared,†Johnson observed. Matt Bennett, a veteran campaign operative who did a stint at Americans for Gun Safety and who now works for the moderate Democratic think tank Third Way, was equally befuddled. “It strikes me as overly lawyerly,†he said, noting that only a small percentage of guns owned by adults are ever used improperly. Only half-joking, Rep. Tim Ryan (D-Ohio) alluded to the shooting accident involving Vice President Dick Cheney, suggesting the query could be a better-safe-than-sorry measure. “Given the behavior of the vice president under the last administration, you may want to know these things,†Ryan said. On a more serious note, Ryan suggested that the new president was being “very, very thorough†in his approach. An Obama ally and pro-gun Democrat from a blue-collar region of Ohio, Ryan dismissed the notion that the inclusion of such a question would do any political harm to the incoming president. But other gun rights supporters want Obama to know the question has raised their antennae. “It’s very odd and very concerning to put out a question like that,†said Sen. Jim DeMint (R-S.C.), adding that it may also be “unprecedented.†The freshman senator, who is up for reelection in 2010, had his campaign organization send an e-mail to supporters this week, pledging to enact legislation to bar federal hiring discrimination on the basis of gun ownership. “Barack Obama promised change, and this is proof positive that we are going to see some of the most liberal change in our nation’s history,†wrote DeMint’s campaign in the e-mail. DeMint conceded it was unrealistic to try to get a bill on the matter through during the lame duck session this week. Still, it’s the sort of symbolic issue that may provide a political opening for Republican members of Congress from conservative-leaning states to contrast themselves with the new Democratic administration. “I want him to know that we’re looking for areas we can work with him but also looking for areas of concern that we want to let him know we’re going to fight on,†DeMint said. The NRA, the gun-rights group that spent millions to defeat Obama, only to see him easily carry sportsmen-heavy states such as Michigan and Pennsylvania, is signaling that it intends to keep up the fight. “Barack Obama and his administration are showing their true colors and true philosophy with regard to the Second Amendment,†said Chris Cox, the NRA’s top political official. “It shows what we’ve been saying all along — this guy doesn’t view the Second Amendment as a fundamental constitutional right.†Cox said the group had put the word out to their members on the question. Bennett, though, argued that approach would have little resonance. “The real question is whether he’s doing harm to the broader image of Democrats on guns, and the answer is probably no,†he said. “It may gin up 350,000 hard-core NRA types, but it won’t really bother 65 million other gun owners.†Read Full ArticleRecommend 132 users recommend Buzz Up Send Email IM Share Digg Facebook Newsvine del.icio.us Reddit StumbleUpon Technorati Yahoo! Bookmarks Print More on Elections AP source: Richardson serious Commerce contender AP Obama pledges fresh view on U.S. role in world Reuters Air patrols, cameras to watch big inaugural crowd AP More... Video: Pieces of Obama cabinet coming together AP Video: Dem officials: Daschle accepts Cabinet post AP Video: A Clinton Cabinet Rerun? ABC News

Just wait a min Iceman where not all fruits and nuts out here A few nuts yes for puttin up with this crap. ..This whole subject is the buzz of the fishing industries out here. From fisherman to tackle makers, lots of upset people and no where to turn. Man you have to love tree huggers ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Deal reached to limit planting fish for sport By Matt Weiser [email protected] Published: Friday, Nov. 21, 2008 | Page 3A Anglers may no longer be able to catch rainbow trout in many of California's mountain lakes, the result of an agreement reached Thursday to protect native fish. The California Department of Fish and Game has agreed to cease stocking fish reared in hatcheries – including trout, bass and catfish – in many lakes and streams where the practice threatens 16 native fish and nine native frog species. The deal was reached after weeks of negotiations with two environmental groups that sued the state over its hatchery and stocking practices. The interim rules are meant to protect native species while the state prepares a broader, permanent plan to reform its hatchery and stocking programs. The agreement will have potentially far-reaching effects on sport fishing in the state. Species targeted for protection range from Central California steelhead, found in the American River, to the California golden trout, found in lakes and rivers of the southern Sierra Nevada. Protected amphibians include the California red-legged frog and mountain yellow-legged frog. Hatchery-reared fish have been planted by the state into lakes and streams for a century to support recreational fishing. But these fish compete with native species for food and habitat, and in some cases also prey on native fish and frogs or their young. "Interim measures limiting stocking are needed to help save California's native fish and frogs from extinction," Noah Greenwald, program director for the Center for Biological Diversity, said in a statement. "Fish and Game will still be able to stock hatchery fish, but mainly in places where they won't harm native species." Greenwald's group and Pacific Rivers Council sued the state in Sacramento Superior Court in 2006 to force reform of its hatchery and stocking practices. The Department of Fish and Game is preparing an environmental impact report on the program but recently asked Judge Patrick Marlette for a one-year extension, until January 2010, to complete the study. In response, environmental groups asked for interim measures to protect native species, resulting in the agreement announced Thursday. Fish and Game officials had little to say about the deal, except to confirm its basic terms. "Nothing is final until the judge certifies it on Monday," spokeswoman Jordan Traverso said. Greenwald said the deal will take effect immediately if approved by the court. It was structured, he said, so that some stocking can continue in order to support the state's popular inland sport fishing industry. He said the state will be allowed to continue stocking hatchery fish in reservoirs that have more than 1,000 acres of surface area. That means popular fishing spots like Folsom Lake and Lake Oroville will probably continue to be stocked. The American River also will not be immediately affected. Fish are not stocked directly in the river, though procedures at the state's Nimbus Hatchery, which produces most of the salmon found in the river, could be altered by the permanent changes being studied. Stocking may also continue in smaller reservoirs if they are not connected to a stream that hosts any of the 25 native species. And Fish and Game will be allowed to renew existing permits for fish stocking on private land or backyard ponds. But natural lakes and streams that are home to the native species will no longer be stocked. And new requests for private stocking permits must first prove that no native species are present. Greenwald said Fish and Game has identified 81 water bodies where stocking will be halted. Another 112 also might be affected, and the state may be hoping for some leeway to continue stocking these waters. Neither list was available Thursday. Mike Seefeldt, vice president of the Hot Creek Hatchery Foundation in Mono County, said the agreement could harm many small businesses that depend on fish stocking for a major portion of their tourism-related income. "It's going to have a significant impact on Mono County and the people that run the resorts," said Seefeldt, who lives in Sacramento and is a retired Fish and Game hatchery manager. "A lot of them are only open in fishing season. If they're on a lake that's not stocked, they're probably going to be facing catastrophic financial impacts." -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Call The Bee's Matt Weiser, (916) 321-1264. Comment Guidelines Dear Readers, Thank you for coming to sacbee.com. We welcome your participation in our commenting boards and forums, but we ask that you follow a few simple rules to keep the boards open and the discourse civil. We reserve the right to delete comments that contain inappropriate links, obscenities or vulgarities, spam, hate speech, personal attacks, plagiarism or copyright violations. You can help notify us of potential abuses by flagging comments that you find offensive. Action will be taken against users who repeatedly or flagrantly violate the rules. Keep it clean and you should have no problems.

Department of Fish and Game News Release November 10, 2008 Contact: Jordan Traverso, Office of Communications, (916) 654-9937 Department of Fish and Game Responds to Potential Injunction on Salmon and Trout Stocking Programs SACRAMENTO – Following a Sacramento Superior Court Judge’s decision Friday regarding the Department of Fish and Game’s (DFG) fish stocking program, Director Donald Koch made the following statement: “We look forward to meeting with the petitioners from Stanford Law School within the next two weeks to seek agreement on the continuance of our fish stocking programs. The department is concerned with the recreational impacts that curtailing our stocking programs have on the fishing community. In addition, our stocking program has important benefits to many small businesses and communities that depend on fishing.†In October 2006, Stanford Law students sued DFG over fish stocking programs it has engaged in for more than 100 years, claiming that no Environmental Impact Report (EIR) had been completed for the programs. The result of the case was a court order requiring DFG to complete an EIR. DFG is engaged in the years-long and multimillion dollar EIR process, now scheduled to be completed in January 2010. Due to delays in the EIR process, on Friday, Nov. 7 Sacramento Superior Court Judge Patrick Marlette told the department to negotiate with the petitioners to seek an agreement on terms for how and where DFG may continue stocking fish during the time it is preparing the EIR. If an agreement is not reached, the department might face an injunction that could stop altogether or significantly reduce its fish stocking programs. If an agreement can be reached in the next two weeks, the parties will take that agreement back to the judge for his approval.

Tom you duh MAN, shorts and a t-shirt..starting next wensday were going to start getting snow

Oh yes, he's vascular surgeon. Now I owe him two fishing trips.

I just have one question Chris, Boat came with a blond now thats a deal. do you guys use kicker motors out there the way we do here on the west coast.

Very contagious to adult males Symptoms; Continual complaint as to need for fresh air, sunshine and relaxation. Patient has blank expression, sometimes deaf to wife and kids. Has no taste for work of any kind. Frequent checking of tackle catalogues. Hangs out in sporting goods store longer than usual. Secret night phone calls to fishing pals. Mumbles to self. Lies to everyone. NO KNOWN CURE Treatment; Medication is useless. Disease is not fatal. Victim should go fishing as often as possible. My doctor, put this on the wall at the head of my bed tuesday. It was all in RED letters and got some looks.

Mick, that might be a stretch of the weather out here, today it's starting to rain and 42 degrees. So what we do is put the top up and zip in the side curtains and the back door. Turn the heater on and start to troll

Hey thanks guys. You all are going to put me in the poor house, with all this new stuff. But hey I will be happy. I only have a 20' crestliner, so the bow mount sounds like the one. I will look at them. Again thanks

hey splitshot, I do the same. But get caught 8 out of 10 times. now I just say there gifts Thanks for all the answers guys. But the one main question .WILL they be to big for the lakes out here. Some times my church walleye boards are to big. I have had 3 fast movers ( we call them ) bass boats, dam near hang themselfs. cutting between me and the shore line. If these are better , whats a good mast ? and how much do they run ?

Dam you guys are hard on those boys

After looking at those web pages, are those boards to big for our lakes out here ? should I just stick to the church and off shore boards I now have ?

Well come on out, let me know when your going to be here

Keep it up and you will be in the big money for sure, even your own tv show

those fires are 700 miles south of us up here. After so many fires it's a wonder there is anything left to burn down there. There will be a new crop of grass for next year now to burn

well to start with , everything I have picked up from these boards and people on the phone has worked out. Our bait fish are shad and plenty of them , in the sierra lakes they have chu-chub , pond smelt and kokanee. just like on a small lake near me , called whiskey town lake..it has kings and they feed on the kokanee and small rainbow...not bad ay. now in the rivers the browns feed on crawdads and smaller fishand bugs , Now as far as spoons and the howie fly, they have been right on.My philssophy is a fish is a fish and they all have a basic instinct no matter where they are. When I started to us my depth raider and the temps I was told to look for , where right on here as well. I appreciate all help, so thanks vary much. Every little bit helps, to change 55 years of fishing another way.........I sure love the new things I have learned in the past 1 1/2 years

My next question is, the lakes I fish do not frezze over . Surface temp will run from low 40s to mid 30s. The warm water goes to the bottom of the lake. Should I still use the 55 to 58 degree range for the browns ?

Matt out in we stalk our prey. Some times for miles. Whats this tree stand stuff. ? May be there is so many hunters, it's the only way from being shoot. If you want a real big buck start making a noise like a carrot, it works evertime

Hey thanks I just talked to Bill on the phone

I tpyed inthe search GLAbillyv got nothing, can you help

what type of spoons , fly dodger combo. we fish year round out here for them

Out here on the west coast we, will rip the shore line. Or we will put a stickbait down with in 2' of the bottom on a downrigger. Could you guys tell me your best set up for browns out there and how you run for them Thanks Stan

Ray is in a class all his own on this one.

Over 400'