Thanks for the info, I was just looking back on last year and it had picked up about now,and I did see october is a bit better.I am just wondering if this year will be off because of the late spring and dry summer, I had talked to some that fish Erie and it was hot for a short time and shut down and never came back.It will be a learning experience so I am not expecting a lot I am just hoping for decent numbers my grandson is 8 and hope to keep him busy.