I have them, bought a set used off Craigslist. They've been very good to me for almost 10 years now, and who knows how old they were before I bought them. I remember when I went to Screwy Louie's to pick up some heavier balls 2 years ago, the 1st thing he asked me was what kind of downriggers I had. I was looking at the 16# torpedos and he told me the Scotties would have no problem bringing them up, and he was right. The only thing that has gone wrong with them in the time I've had them was 1 of the mechanical counters broke while I was out once, again, Screwy Louie's had the part on the shelf, so if you need something it's readily available.