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Very,very interesting info, Ray....

Yes. By without getting personally offensive or defensive I'm trying to hear if folks can express their thoughts about the issue without sounding as if they have little respect or regard for the difference of viewpoint of, or even the relative intelligence of, some other probably unknown forum participant. This is obviously a very important issue for our society these days (amongst many). As for the LOU forum, in many ways this a very good place to express thought on the issue of a natural resource extraction process that may potentially affect anybody who enjoys the out of doors environment that we all share. With the importance of water in all of our lives, including the fish that we love to engage with, and it's key positions in hydrofracking , Lou seems to be one of the better places talk about this subject amongst people with many shared interests.

Wow! Could anyone, please, without getting personally defensive or offensive, comment on the question "What is the main, #1 reason anyone wants to have high-volume hydrofracturing processing taking place in their backyard or nearby or regional community?"

What is the main, #1 reason anyone wants to have high-volume hydrofracturing processing taking place in their backyard or nearby or regional community?

The one hanging from the hook looks like a 20lb. peacock bass !!

One cannot live without clean freshwater. One can live without money.

Really awesome walleye shots!!!! My god ... What have I done?? (David Byrne- Talking Heads)....

Hope and trust are good positives, and that is what drillers and extractors rely on. But, hard work and due diligence is what really turns good hopes into realities. And that is what develops and cultivates trust. Not powerpoints, payola, lobbying, and turning blind eyes to common sense. Water resources are at what's at stake here, as well as air and living quality. The natural gas will be there... Let's take stock of (count) our blessings and let's not throw the baby out (the high quality of our lives) with the bathwater (trading rather limited sweetwater reserves for short term jobs and potentially long term polluting issues). The high value of our freshwater and clean air and living environs will only continue to increase in value to everyone both within and without our state's borders, as other surrounding areas deteriorate in their value. Why could that happen? Well, look closely at the fracking process (I know it's not Right under your feet) as it is practiced, and think of why Haliburton and others worked so hard (there's that hard work thing again) to get immunity from EPA environmental impact responsibilities and accountability. Plus, the ingredients in the fracking fluids do not have to be divulged as public info because of proprietary issues. But this is not pizza sauce. These are combinations of highly toxic things made at a few limited plants, then pumped deep into the ground in huge quantities ALL OVER (or under, really) THE PLACE. Then much of it is brought back up, poured into holding ponds until it is pumped into trucks and hauled away to be dumped someplace else (a job!). Or, it's sent to regular waste-water treatment plants, which are in no way capable of, or were designed to, "treat" these kind of tricks and then poured into surface water sources (rivers and streams). Not to mention the fact that rather high volumes of excess methane gas are simply spewed off directly into the air to relieve pressure, as the holding places for the NG can't hold it all. Methane gas is a 20% better heat insulator than CO2. ( I know, water vapor is too. but what would you rather have in your face; water or methane?). Also, concrete is not a 100% indestructible material. All kinds of different mixing methods and criteria for use scenarios must be worked up (not to mentioned tested) to get the proper, long term job done in any particular usage. STOP. Now lets take a look at just these things mentioned. All of these things mean a job for someone to do. Potentially all kinds of employment opportunities. They all are places, too, where something or someone can go wrong in application, follow through, judgement, or any number of other pertinent-to-the-process things. Too many weak links. Which is the weakest link. It has all happened before. Sort of. Again, New York State sits atop of and holds sway to a very large source of the most precious natural resource of all: Clean, Free, fresh, sweetwater. You CANNOT LIVE WITHOUT THIS STUFF. We can live without natural gas, as it is want to be had through the hydrofracturing process. Find a better and cleaner way to putt ourselves around and heat stuff. I do believe in energy independence. I do believe in job creation. But I do more believe in "a bird in hand is worth two in the bush". The bird is our water, air and living environs. The two birds are in hell, using hydrofracturing as it is now practiced.

Yes. those are real beauts! I've been hearing and reading about this walleye fishery (especially in In Fisherman) for what seems like 30 years or so. And you're right about the south shore 'eyes. Usually caught as incidental by-catch on close to shore, early spring trout forays. Caught a nice 7-8 pounder right out of Hughes this spring (first fish of the day), about 2 minutes out of the marina "chute" there, on a b/w original #11 Rap. Biggest one yet.

Seneca already does have some muskies in it and I do believe they are pure strain. I caught one by surprise some 20 or so years ago right next to shore in a little "cattail" like grass area right next to shore in about 1 or 2 fow down by the highbanks on the eastern shore roughly across from Roy's. It was a big surprise to me as I was just making an idle cast because the wind had caught us while fishing for smallies and blew us suddenly in and I was at that end of the boat before we could adjust. It was my first musky I had ever caught, as at that time had never targeted them anywhere; it was only 9 or 10 inches long, but there was absolutely no mistaken identity to other esocidae. We thought, gee, baby muskies in Seneca? Who knew! Fast forward to a couple of years ago, and a fellow caught a beautiful 22lb. musky out of Seneca, the picture proof on the front page of a May issue of New York Outdoor News. My fish had grown up! Seneca already has beautiful northerns, chains, and what I describe as a nice perfect cross of the two, which we have picked up several of while going for smallies with softbaits. I don't know if the muskies are the result of any past DEC activity, or the result of somebody else putting them in or if they are naturally there and always have been but just in small numbers; they do sometimes sometimes show up in Ontario, along with some big ole' northerns occasionally as by-catch by salmon chasers. These are big waters... Lots of great cold water and food to keep and grow big, happy esox members....

Yes.. Great fishing and outdoors activities Holiday Greetings back at 'ya and to all. Thanks for the tree photos!

I honestly cannot understand or see why or how anybody who likes to engage in fishing, hunting, trapping, eating food, drinking water, walking around outside, breathing, any kind whatsoever of outdoor recreation or livelihood, being part of and responsible for a family, including raising children, supporting neighbors and community,retired, just getting started, struggling with making ends meet, wealthy and not worried at all about money, in prison, free as a bird, disabled, mentally or emotionally challenged , totally o.k., pet lover, pet hater, dreamer of pot of gold, secure as is at whatever financial state, or just plain ALIVE, would want anything to do with having hydrofracking happening anywhere at all on the planet, much less in their own backyard. I mean, really... Toxic chemicals pumped at high pressure into relatively soft (compared to other) rock just underneath your feet and water supply? Does that really sound like a good way to earn a buck? Boy, I guess blowing off nuclear weapons around the neighborhood should be a fun ride at the amusement park....I say this not to "dis" anybody else's opinion or viewpoint on the matter, but, why would anyone conceivably want to reside in or near or even within a hundred miles of such stuff? Oh really? Make plenty of money and move somewhere else and leave the frak behind for some other people to deal with....?

Really?? Muskies like browns on Ontario? Is there any source of literature or online or media coverage on this "scene"? Not to cause a stampede or anything like that, but that would be very interesting to see reports of that kind of fishing!!

tcon... I'm glad and appreciative of thread you posted. I guess it's how I feel about the exchange of free, beautiful and clean freshwater resources, forever gifted to us, for natural gas, also forever gifted to us. It's the using of all of the toxicity, and the disruption of the living atmosphere currently in New York State, to "resource this resource" that bothers me. We, throughout the entire state, are known and envied worldwide for the high quality of our freshwater supplies we have available to us. The high value of this H2o is understood when you don't have it. Look at any of those "survival" shows (Bear, Les,etc.). Remember, about 3 or 4 years ago, how the states of Georgia and South Carolina were about to go to war over bordering water rights claims, because of the long term drought then? It was on the national news scene. Of all of the water on our "water world," less than 3% of it is fresh... and we humans cannot drink saltwater. Our bodies are at least 65% water. To me, to potentially trade or dis avail ourselves of this one long term critical resource, for another, quickly depleted, and not nearly so critical resource does not equal up. As the surrounding interstate region jumps on the gas drilling bandwagon, our precious, free, sweet water supplies, without which our lives would not be sustainable, (not to mention fun and appealing) ROCKETS UP in value! For the "drill baby drillers" out there, please consider the value of what we already have to offer, and how to best manage it for the long term, hundreds of years, instead of "me, too-ing it" (like so many pizza parlors), for a short, perhaps single 15 or 25 year generation. After the gas is gone, and the free freshwater (not to mention ground) is all wasted, tainted and otherwise unavailable to us, how are your grandchildren, children, or probably even you, going to feel about hanging around in, much less living, in New York State...

Whew... Thought I couldn't tell a King from Ontario from a HUGE, MONSTER LANDLOCK at some unknown, can't-see-to-the-otherside Finger Lake! Again that video is good fun stuff... Anymore in the future? Would be cool!!

Excellent work!!!! World Fishing Network material (potentially!)....!! This really gets some of the great feel of fishing, recreating and living in New York state! I didn't see some shots of great lakes kings? I guess not..maybe... Seriously good work folks!!!

Western central NY, south of Rochester, is at the middle of a "continental divide". Headwaters of all of the major freshwater flowages into the Atlantic Ocean originate here. Fresh waters from all of the finger lakes pour out of the ground north into lakes Erie and Ontario into the St. Lawrence; numerous streams and rivers follow suit. The same for headwaters of the Chesapeake Bay, Delaware River, Mississippi River via the Allegheny River and Hudson River via the Erie Canal and Mohawk River.... you know all of this. If I had a "Sofie's choice" to make about choosing unappealing looking wind farms, or crazily polluted ground, groundwater, ruined countryside and small town atmosphere (by all of the trucking and supporting development) and the thought of a peaceful, lazy drive through the severely tainted out-of-doors scene, I would choose the former! DO NOT turn our state, with all of it's already blessed water resources, (Free and Clean), into a giant petrochemical farm. Who would want to, and who could (except for the poor and those that served them) live here anymore??? Proceeds, jobs and corporate tax bases? To enrich what? Who? When? It would all be too late to be of any good after all the clean water and land are gone! I most definitely would rather be poor, clean, and healthy, with clean water and land to wash in, drink from and walk on, than well-off, sickened, and unwilling to go outside or even wash or drink the water. You don't appreciate what you already have until it's gone. Our state is already rich with the most necessary and precious gift of all...Lots and lots of clean, fresh water!!!!!!

I used to catch jumbo perch in Seneca with light-weight trolling spoons like Miller and Sutton spoons trolling about 50 ft down. You would also catch other fish doing the same thing, like smallies, landlocks and rainbows. Lately, dropping a soft plastic body jig (sometimes a bucktail COMBINED WITH a plastic tube, grub, or swimbait on the hair jig), dropped down to the level of perch marks, which are usually around 30 to 50 ft down, works. And the fish are "jacks"....

Niiiiiccccee....!!! Thanx..!

Beautiful, fat, heavy fish!!!! I'm assuming U caught this in New York waters, recently....

Great stuff Slimy Hooks... With perseverance and pluck like that, you really have lived up to you post name!! Very good day of fishing....

Xing... I live near Macedon, but fish ANYWHERE and EVERYWHERE! In and around Macedon (in case you haven't already found, as I am reading your posting several months later!), there is Ganargua Creek, which is just south of the canal and flows into the canal at the aforementioned lock park in Palmyra. This creek is sometimes called Mud Creek. It flows north from Bristol in Ontario County, turning east to the point in the canal. It has good fishing for sunfish and bass, both Largemouth and Smallmouth and Pike and some Walleyes. You can catch walleye, bass, carp, pike, sunfish, catfish and probably crappies at the canal lock park. The canal itself is very good fishing for all of the above mentioned warm water species, but, it really helps to have a boat to get to some of the best areas. A drive to the north along walworth-palmyra rd. or route 350 all the way up to just north of route 104 in the town of Ontario, will get you to Casey Park and the ore beds. An abandoned iron mining pit (actually several of them), about 1 mile long, which is one of the better largemouth and panfish areas to fish from shore. You can access the park from Knickerbocker Rd. It used to have some of the best bass in the area. I saw the biggest largemouth I have ever seen in the wild there cruising along the shoreline, right at the park. It was easily well over 10 lbs. and very well may have exceeded 12lbs. and possibly been a state record fish! There are also some excellent sized black bullhead catfish (2-3lbs.) to be had there in the spring. If you are from China as you say, of course get your license and be aware of all the proper rules and regulations for enjoying the great fishing opportunities that abound all over and around New York state. It's everywhere!!

Yeeaahh, Baby!!!! Great story and even better fishing!

HAD to head in for a clambake!??!! Wow! Sounds like day of best of both worlds... 10lb. steelies amd 13lb.kings and clambakes to boot...It don't get no better!!!

Rite-on LongLine....!!