Sk8man

They aren't even doing well in the Atlantic Ocean here in the US. They are currently a protected species in the marine environment and I believe I read somewhere that the only real viable "native" populations run up three rivers in Maine. The commercial "farm" raisers have a reputation for spreading all sorts of diseases among them as well as other salmon using the waters where they are located. I'm not sure about the genetic origin of the NYS stocked strain.

One of the things that has been in the back of my mind for awhile regarding the stocking issues is dietary diversity of the various trout and salmon species and considerations relating to it. The trout and salmon species vary radically in their dietary habits and preferences and despite the current focus on alewives; each species offers a different level of "threat" to the alewife base with associated differences in time frames i.e immediacy. For example, the Pacific salmon being the roaming and free-ranging non-bottom-feeders they are (genetically) feed nearly entirely on saltwater derivative baitfish such as the alewife. Previously (when they were available) Atlantics fed on the rainbow smelt (which is related to Capelin a close relative in the smelt family which serves a primary source of food for the ocean goer Atlantics. In fresh water It takes an Atlantic about two to three years (smolts) before their organs are developed enough to ingest baitfish. Until then they feed on insects and small invertebrates, plankton, and crustaceans found in streams and nearshore areas as well as insect hatches of caddisflies, mayflies blackflies and that sort of thing. Atlantics exhibit pronounced diet diversity throughout their lives (4-7 yrs usually) and may be a reason why they are out deep with the steelies in the summer when all the insects are available out there. The Pacific salmon are faster growing with shorter life spans but during most of their life they feed pretty much exclusively on alewives in Lake Ontario. Point is that Atlantics don't have much immediate impact on the alewife baitfish base for 3 or 4 years. They are also thought to be quite vulnerable to stress or injury when caught and released and are known to be very susceptible to many viruses, bacteria, and fungus so it isn't surprising that they don't seem to fare very well in the current lake environment. I guess I should also state that the Kings are my ultimate favorite Lake O fish and it is rather discouraging to think that being as vulnerable as they are because of their dietary focus they could be particularly affected by a decimated alewife population if that is or becomes fact.

Might want to stretch that wish to 3 inches for safety sake

Stepping back a bit from this thread I have to admit this is the closest thing I have seen on here in the way of a truly intellectually based argument with supportive data for each side of it. Too bad our elected officials, the IJC and other decision makers haven't done their "homework" to this extent regardless of the "correct" interpretation

Nicely stated MIke

OMG I'm still laughing at that one. Good one Bill

x3 on the Victorinox

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That looks like a pic to be framed Bill beautiful fish and pic

You're "hardcore" John. Good going.....getting me psyched up for ice fishing

I've been following this thread right along and having fished both streams and lakes all my life including Lake O and feel that there is a whole lot of room for both ends of the spectrum in terms of opinions, the relating of experiences injection of ideas etc. and many of the comments offered thus far have been both entertaining and enlightening but some comments have also seem to have gotten away from the spirit of the forum too and emotional coloring seems to be gaining a foothold and overcoming the main purpose of it which is informational sharing. It may not be the most fruitful avenue to let emotions take over the conversation as it can inhibit others from offering ideas or opinions from which we might learn something. A little tolerance goes a long way. The upcoming holidays can be stressful enough for folks without taking potshots and letting all the emotions take over the conversation regardless of the strength of belief or opinion. Its not worth it.

Don't say it too loud seems like every time I say something like that it happens

Good one Chuck

What do you think the odds are on that coincidence happening ?My hunch would be about a trillion to one...unreal!

My guess is Susquehanna long river though....

Hey I think that is my Blue Mullet Mike If you return it I have a lot of the hooks to go on it.... Another memorable one for me that i think I may have mentioned before is many years ago while fishing for perch in 60 ft on Seneca with two rods I was hooking up on one rod with a perch double and jumped up real quick from the seat and my knee knocked the other rod out of the holder into the water. with my ultra-lite rod and Mitchell 308A attached (which was considered at the time an ultralite reel). I was pissed at the time but then forgot about it over the winter. Next Spring while jerking copper across the same spot for lakers I snagged something that I thought was a tree limb from the feel and low and behold it was my rod and reel. I took the reel apart and cleaned it good and still have it today. I wasn't as fortunate with the rod (which had my name on it) as I snapped it off on the back lid of my van awhile later

Some really funny stuff Pete thanks for sharing it.