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A you mention it makes a difference with boat speed, and current and a host of other factors ( eg.diameter of copper) but an estimate for the braided copper at about 2 mph is 22 ft per 100 ft out so 11 for the 50 , 22 for 100, 44 for the 200, 88 for the 400 etc. You may wish to calculate your own chart a little more reliably by using a Fishhawwk TD for each setup and compare with the "expected" depths I mentioned. I have no idea about the weighted steel as I haven't used it.
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Excellent explanation and write-up Mark. It is often beneficial to look at the glass as being half full rather than half empty -
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Sk8man replied to HB2's topic in New York Fishing Reports - Lake Ontario (South Shore)
A couple of things come to mind" One is I stopped using Stren line years ago because of breakoffs even with the mono for whatever reason. Two is that not every package of line is equal. Sometimes line sits around in a store in direct sunlight heating up the package perhaps and deteriorating the contents over time maybe? Using high quality fluoro such as Seaguar and doing as suggested with wetting the line while cinching down and careful tying your knots should yield good results if your reel drag is set properly. For many many years we fished kings with 12 pound test line without break-offs on Lake O prior to the fleas. -
I'll just throw this out there as the actual physical speed may not really be all that important,or at least not as important as some folks may think. First, what is most important with any of these devices is repeatability from the standpoint of if something worked at that particular point or speed on the indicator you desire to return to it hoping for more success. Although calibration may be a consideration between say two different instruments being run at the same time and it ,may make it easier on your brain to process two things saying the same thing, even having the two instruments in synchronization calibration-wise may not end up with the same physical reading on your display because when turning even slightly in current the probes will often run at slightly different speeds according to the side of the boat they are on.Two boats having their units synchronized may give different readings when run from different boats side by side just because of hull design variations or downrigger wire diameter differences so one persons data may not be relevant to the other boat.. The whole fascination with physical accuracy may be a red herring in this case as it is relative speed on whichever device you have faith in that is the most important variable.Having two devices running at the same time may not be any more advantageous as being able to rely on one device you have faith in. Returning to that reading is critical regardless of the instrument being used. Surface speed is probably always going to be quite different than that at the probe and the deeper you go the more it may vary as it true also with the degree of underwater current encountered, and it can perhaps vary according to braid on one rigger vs. wire on another and between two different probe designs creating different amounts of resistance in the water or two different rigger weights. Slight differences in the freedom of movement of each impeller on the probe can create a reading difference on the display (e.g. especially if a little grass or debris is on it) The reason I am saying this stuff is directed at newbies believing that all these "gizmos" are the "cats azz" and are infallible and "bulletproof" answers to success and the concept of "more is better"
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Canandaigua Canandaigua Lake Trout Derby 2019
Sk8man replied to Sk8man's topic in Finger Lakes Discussion
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Canandaigua Canandaigua Lake Trout Derby 2019
Sk8man replied to Sk8man's topic in Finger Lakes Discussion
Last night while having a victory drink Bob said " If Canandaigua was the only lake I could fish on I wouldn't even own a boat" The launch ramps at both ends of the lake were a total fiasco yesterday. -
Nicely handled.
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Congratulations to Bob and Bob my long time fishing buddies They pulled off an 11th hour victory under less than optimal conditions while the rest of us were getting off the lake because of the wind and trouble controlling our setups etc. Once again the lesson: perseverance pays off
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Thanks for the heads up Mark. A lot of crazy and dangerous stuff goes on out on these lakes so maybe folks should think about the safety benefits and the fact that these regulations are based on logic and common sense which not everyone has out there. I saw a couple things just today on Canandaigua that could have resulted in perssonal injury and more (e.g. cigar boat showing off at the ramp, kids sitting on the bow of the boat going full blast with no PFD). Many times fishing at night on Honeoye I have witnessed numerous boats traveling at high speed without lights whooping and hollering and clinking bottles and cans We should be supporting the police in their efforts rather than complaining about logical boating requirements. The state police aren't Cuomo's money grabbing cronies they are just folks doing their jobs. As fisherpersons out there we have the responsibility to serve as good examples for the boating public by adhering to the regs and it doesn't mean we are wimps for doing so since most of us are more than casual boaters and should know enough to have the required equipment on our boats.It isn't some unreasonable requirement. There are people out there that have no business driving a boat and they present a danger to all of us.
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Nice going Sean. -
Sean you have a PM
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Here is what they sent me stix. I think they could have done a better job on the details FDpamplet2019.pdf -
I'm assuming you are talking lakers on Keuka with the "match the hatch" question. The phrase is a little more appropriate to stream fishing and flyfishing in particular. It does fit this situation iin the sense that if they are feeding on small perch using something that color or size may entice them ,but Keuka is in trouble right now and way out of balance in terms of available sawbellies or smelt, and that is why the lakers are going after the perch more than normal. They are very desperate for food and some even appear malnourished (very slender bodies with disproportionately large appearing head). Lakers are opportunists and will skarf up on nearly anything available even under "normal" conditions. They haven't forgotten what sawbellies look like . The task is to locate active feeding fish and there are a lot of them out there but their size may be "stunted" these days from the past times. Rainbows, browns and landlocks are no longer plentiful out there.
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A lot of what goes on with meat rigs may be relatively independent of the species of the bait itself. Much of the effectiveness comes from (and depends on) the action of the bait in the water. Whatever is used should be fairy stiff so it can twirl or spin properly behind the attractor. Just a suggestion to try would be to use prepared shad that comes in a package and is sold in a number of stores besides baitshops (e.g. Walmart or Runnings). These prepared baits have the required stiffness although you may have to make adjustments to fit them in the meat head (e.g. take the head of the bait off etc.) but they do work and are much less expensive than the brined herring. My hunch is that the sardines may be too soft ( as they are a relatively soft fish anyway) to hold up in the meat heads but I'm not sure of that. Live sardines are used as bait in salt water. -
WTG Keith I'll be at the Eastham/Orleans area for two weeks at the end of June and hope for some striper action out aways -
All I know is "GT Company" Geneva N.Y. I believe this was probably before the American Company was even founded. -
Here are some examples. They are from around 1900 or thereabouts and were used by my grandfather on Seneca. Note the old style swivels on four of them. The hooks were either soldered on or riveted back then, and on some hooks were fastened to the interior area of the lures
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sstout - incredible job! very professional looking as well as functional -
2 lb You obviously know what you are doing. When I post stuff here it is aimed to the wider audience that may be wondering about things, maybe totally unfamiliar with them, or perhaps thinking about trying things out so my suggestions are intended to help shorten the learning curve so they may not have to spend the years trying to figure this stuff out like I did
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Cool setup Something to note is that it is best with heavier spoons by either tying the lure directly to the wire with a loop and hay wire twist, or with the swivel because it is direct metal contact which helps to feel what is going on down below with the spoon. Both methods have slightly different action of the spoon. One advantage of the loop and haywire twist is that it can keep the spoon with the hook upright so it doesn't snag bottom as easily but it can also depend on the particular spoon you are using. Note also the position of the hook on the spoon. The spoon is designed so that the hook rides upward with the spoon on its back when contacting bottom.
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Although it can be done by the coiling in the bottom of the boat that method may not be the first or best to try with more than yourself and very few objects in the bottom of boat for starters. In the old days it was done that way pretty much out of necessity and often with a lot of swearing accompanying it. My grandfather fished that way for lakers on Seneca back in the early 1900's out of a rowboat no less.with the old Geneva and Sutton spoons. The easiest modern method is to use either a victrola or an A and S automatic (spring loaded) reel. A drawback to the A and S is that it doesn't hold as much wire as a victrola but it is more compact and works well in 100 ft or less water. The spring in the A &S isn't as strong as most victrolas so the slack wire take-up can be a lot slower. Some victrolas have multiple springs (or strong singles) and others are even motorized so careful where your fingers are placed.
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Good advice. The tension of the arm is factory set so as Brian said it still needs to be able to slide if necessary with the tension set.
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Downrigger balls
Sk8man replied to allaboutfishing13's topic in Questions About Trout & Salmon Trolling?
Harvey Ohara makes some real good ones. I'll send each of you his number. He is also on LOU (Troutman87) -
Just an FYI - It is not great operating your transducer out of water. You may be getting a very strong bounce back signal through the transducer into the unit too.I'm noty saying that is the clicking sound but I'd wait to test on the water.
