Sk8man

Bunky211 you have a PM

Brad you have a PM

Last week I had a 5-6 lb laker spit up (5) 3 inch perch on Keuka while after perch on the ice and all of them were still alive.He hit on a 1/16 oz. jig with a waxworm through the ice in 18 ft of water. They certainly are really "opportunists" for whatever they can get down their throats

I have all my rolled up leaders with lures attached (single hooks on them) on fives blocks of styrofoam for each rig (usually run three or four of them). I usually have several sets of them with spoons all set up with rubber band around them so I can switch them out as desired. All the sets are contained in a waterproof zippered bag (softsided cooler bag).

Actually both parties are totally useless and dysfunctional. The two party system no longer works. A strong third party might shake things up enough to reboot the system.

I'm not a hydrologist so I'm not sure of the exact dynamics of the lake flow but surely both areas are factors. The wind direction and velocity and duration are probably the most important factors on the lake though and it generates all sorts of underwater current effects some of which can be very intense.

I guess what I was alluding to is that water current can be similar to the concept of wind current as it has differential speed, direction and the ability to climb up and down vertically, or go horizontally. When water current encounters barriers, obstacles, steep changes in land contours (e.g. land points that actually reach out away from shore under the water), the current responds to it. Water temperatures change the current as well and it may rise vertically or disperse horizontally (e.g. the thermoclne). There can be great differences in the way fishing lines (of various types) with various lures respond to current going with, across, or against it. Despite the fact that Lake Ontario has much area that resembles a basin there are very strong currents running in it the origin of which may be different than those of many of the Finger Lakes (e.g. the flow from the Niagara and the outflow from the St.Lawrence as examples). If you are running a spoon or stickbait the current effects on their position within the water column of any of these lakes can be quite different than something trailed behind a dipsy with an attractor. Most of the dipsy charts I have seen do not detail clearly or exactly what conditions the data came from and even so different boat hull design and size/weight may cause differences. Many folks seem to take the charts as "gospel" and I was suggesting that that they should be considered as "estimates" at best as you don't know how your particular set of conditions compares with those of the chart data. ( I guess that is the long answer to the question)

Sweet! Sure cleans things up spatially doesn't it?

I have hit bottom in 155 ft of water before with wire out about 300 at about 2 mph so they go deep enough for the type of fishing I do. They are about 2:1 line out to depth at that speed on the deepest setting (0-1). That was on Keuka. The actual depth will vary considerably due to underwater current however so on Lake O or Seneca things can be quite different and that is another reason to view diver charts with.caution.

Yes it is the size 5. They are the same as the Walker Divers. They have been sold a few times (company) and last I knew Dreamweaver was selling them. They are basically the same in operation as the Luhr Jensens (without the potential irritating problem of slipping outer rings as they age and the fact that most glue will not hold on them when that is tried either. I switched to the Deeper Divers years ago and never looked back. I also think they get deeper than the largest Luhr Jensen on wire. They track very well.

Use a Deeper Diver 124 mm instead and avoid the ring and still have the depth

Take Froggers advice he did a spectacular job on his boat.It looked brand new to me afterward

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Justin is right there are very few places where they exist in any numbers now. As kids we used to get them in most streams in the Fingers and Fairhaven etc..but those days are pretty much gone. There is one lake that freezes over where they can be caught at night through the ice but I am not at liberty to mention it without being "strung up". To some they are considered a delicacy while I still consider them "bait"

3 ft eel caught on a dodger squid when I had my 13 ft Whaler. Tried to get the hook out on the outside of the boat but he squirmed up over the side and got loose on the deck and I still had slime for weeks after left after cleaning the boat

Very good points Keith. In 1963 I took an oath to uphold and defend to the death if necessary the U.S. Constitution and I feel exactly the same about that oath as I did back then. Despite some of our shortcomings which seem to center around greed and personal ambitions taking over logic and reason we still are a wonderful and generous nation with freedoms that cannot be taken for granted.