Sk8man

Fisherdude is on Cayuga. His phone confused the two

Bad switch?

Fishnet -Do you think it might be coming from internally in the boat from something like a live well, or storage compartment, through hull drain fitting on the outside being cracked, or lines going to or from them and when you get up on plane the water gives in to gravity and rushes to the bilge?

If you have a Runnings store near you less than $10 with the various sized plastic rod diameter adapters.

I got rid of a bunch of old ones on the fourth. I watered down a section of the lawn and taped tent spikes to them and put them in the ground and lit them with the strikers. A couple the strikers didn't work so I used one of the flares to set them off. Not great to have them just sittiing around and you can't just toss them in the trash without getting rid of the igniting stuff. When you buy the flares look closely at the expiration date. Sometimes these places put ones that only have 2 years left on them out and they are good 3 years from the date of manufacture so you can get screwed out of some time on them if not careful.

It is what I have been saying all along some of the lines work better than others when the fleas aren't HIGHLY CONCENTRATED but when they are in max. concentrations they will cling to about anything. The folks that are having apparent success in avoiding them and thinking they have miricle solutions are just not encountering these high concentrations. You have to wonder how the fish survive down there with the water clogged up like that.

A couple things come to mind that are related to the above posts; The adult salmon that are spawning and pre-spawning even become a very different target. They are no longer actively feeding so the approach is to irritate them into striking out of territorial aggression rather than evoking a feeding reponse so you use highly active bright lures and attractors to get them to bite. Hooks need to be very sharp and sturdy as their mouths harden during this time. They may be anyplace in the water or water column homing in on their stream of origin so the fishing around steam mouths etc. is a good idea. Water temps may mean virtually nothing to them. The other option when the fishing gets tough for them is to go after younger salmon often with steelies and cohos in the mix, but this often will take you out deeper and you will have to choose your days carefully. September can be a real questionmark weatherwise from year to year with very different water temp profiles and lake conditions so it is impossible to clearly predict from year to year what it will be like or what part of the month it will be like as well.

https://furunousa.com/en/products/gp1971f Don't have one but if I were looking I'd be taking a serious look at it.

Yes the rudd look kinda like a cross between a golden shiner and a carp and only the fins are reddish/orange colored. As lucky mentioned people release common goldfish (member of the carp family) and Coy as well into these lakes and they are invasives. There is a whole school of coy in Canandaigua Lake and often seen at the north end near Inn on the Lake so they could be present in Seneca for just such a reason too.

You are correct in identifying the fleas as your main adversary right now ANY braid is probably going to present you with a nightmare trolling right now. With these continued high temperatures the fleas will be more and more concentrated as the days roll on and it appears that the fishook type water fleas are becoming very prominent and they are the most difficult to get off lines regardless of type of line. The line increased diameter approach works some of the time for some concentrations of fleas. When flea concentrations are very dense and especially the fishook variety NOTHING is immune to them clustering on the line or cable. This includes 150 or 200 lb test downrigger cable. Fleas in general tend to be easier to remove on wire line than the other line options and I would recommend changing over to wire on the riggers at least. If it were me I'd just add it to the existing braid and then double check the accuracy of the line counter afterward and then after flea season you can remove it and go back to the braid if you prefer it. The only other thing would be that regardless of the lines that you have out check them VERY frequently while trolling and it will be a PIA to do probably but necessary to minimize huge buildups that prevent the line from coming in with a fish on (or otherwise). It is about all you can do. Look for places where the fleas seem less concentrated or perhaps absent.They vary greatly in concentrations both throughout the lake and within the vertical water column. You might be able to get away on the coppers with running them with minimal braid entering the water. Good luck.

The fishook waterfleas have serrated sharp edges on their hooked tails and they pack on there in numbers and may even cut into the surface of the line so they are VERY difficult to get off there. The Spinys are much easier to clump up and remove.

Don, I'm not sure about the reaction of super glue with the mono or fluoro but with flies that I tie and a few other thiings where I feel there will be extreme stressI use something called Seal All which is impervious to water,oil or gasoline....can be hard to find it though.There is a risk attached though....your friends may say you are the "Master of Overkill"