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Clear water can be associated with water health but it also can be deceptive in that chemical composition, specific nutrient levels, toxin availability and dispersion, and as importantly bottom composition changes and silt deposition can still be adversely affecting things without it being visibly apparent. The fact that there is very little life visibly present in the shallows e.g. small fish of multiple species and minnows, clusters of crayfish and bugs of various types is highly suggestive of problems other than just lamprey levels although admittedly it isevidently a significant problem in Seneca right now as it was in Cayuga. There used to be bluegills, sunfish, bass, pickerel and pike all over the place in the shallows in years past but now it is basically devoid of life and it points to not only the severity of the problems but the extent of it throughout the shallow areas of the lake visible to the naked eye. The distribution and composition of weed growth also appears to have changed radically. I too have collected diary info and on multiple lakes for about 50 years and the lampreys do in fact greatly affect the fishing but there is a lot more going on than that.....but is is a "stressor" for sure. Keuka is a good example of what I am talking about ....no lampreys present but the lake is in trouble and fishing is severely impacted.
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Sure hope so and it depends on how much the existing ice cover was affected by the recent rain and wind and whether it opened up any ice out there. The temps are supposed to be in the teens for many more days and single digits at night so it won't be long if it is not already there.
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It is good to hear a firsthand account of plentiful sawbellies, and with both the diporeia and the sawbellies distribution in the lake may also be a critical factor and perhaps more so at certain times of the year.Distribution changes could also lead to inaccuracies in estimating the bait population. Again this is a complex set of problems going on.....
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It may underscore what the article mentioned but it also may mean that the fish are desperate for food from lack of availability or for some reason being incapable of locating or feeding on the normal forage base. I think this is happening on Keuka and that the lakers are feeding on the shrimp as well as the small percch and young of other and perhaps their own species.other sources and if so it is just a matter of time before it takes its toll on the diporeia. .I also wonder whether the huge clouds we see during the summer months that folks interpret to be baitfish may in fact be highly compacted or concentrated water fleas and the standard bait may not be as plentiful as some assume them to be.
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When I earlier mentioned the missing link in the foodchain I couldn't remember the name of the specific organism I was referencing but I later remembered and also an article I had run across a while back that I think may shed light on one of the factors possibly relevent to Seneca. The organism is an invertebrate or crustacean called diporeia or freshwater shrimp. It is basically a "building block" and essential link in the fishery food chain. Although this article primarily concerns Lake Michigan and the Great Lakes it is also of concern to the on-going issues with the Finger Lakes but the exact status of things may be in question at the moment as the article was from several years ago and I'm wondering if there has maaybe been a recent adverse downward change in the levels of diporeia or concentrations dispersed diffferently since that time which may be severely impacting the fishery. Note specifically the materiall toward the end referencing the Finger Lakes https://mynorth.com/2008/03/lake-michigans-vanishing-shrimp/
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My take on it is that the problems with Seneca in particular and many of the Finger Lakes for that matter is a compound and complex set of issues and problems;not a single "silver bullet" factor. Many of the observations made by people fishing and living along the lake over time suggest that: the general rise in environmental temperatures over the past decades may have influenced things, the introduction of multiple invasive species, greatly increased development along the shores, the general lack of burms to hold back agricultural and vineyard run-off, increased introduction of lawn fertilizers and pesticides, possible leeching of salt both road salt with it's harmful chemicals and possibly that from the under lake caverns, the multiple overflow problems with sewage dumped into the lake, and possibly numerous other factors have heavily stressed the lakes and watersheds deteriorating their capacity to sustain life. Critically, basic links in the food chain (phytoplankton and zooplankton) are being (or have been) removed gradually impacting all the organisms above them in the food chain which has now taken its toll much more visibly. The introduction and movement outward and gradual explosion into the depths of the Quagga mussels, the covering of traditional shallow water spawning areas by zebra mussels and their remnants have delivered a knock out punch as well. Maintaining a balance in the underwater ecosystem is essential to maintaining a fiishery and when several very basic and crucial things are severely out of balance this is the resulting scenario and it is happening at different rates and levels of severity in these lakes making it difficult to pinpoint things.
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Time to check your fire extinguishers on your boat for recall
Sk8man replied to pvelyk's topic in This Old Boat
I called and had 10 of them and only one needed to be replaced and it was pretty old but they gave me a real nice commercial grade one to replace it....came yesterday. I had to give all the numbers to the lady and she then told me just the one needed replacing. Hard to see some of the number codes on the extinguishrs but ws worth doing. -
Earlier this year there was an incident at the north end of the lake where (I heard) 5,000 or more gallons of sewage overflowed from the treatment plant into the lake via Marsh Creek. Just before Labor day this year a reported 50,000 plus gallons of sewage was discharged into the Keuka Outlet from the Penn Yan treatment plant when someone reportedly left a valve open over night. I was staying at a friends cottage right across the lake a couple days after and there was sewage blackening the water on the east side of the lake and smelling just like what it was for as far as I could see....stuff probably settled to the bottom........
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I received a reply from Brad today: Here is what he said: If anyone has specific info please send it or call him (Gator makes a great point) Les, Do you have any recent information on the dead fish at Sampson or the south end of the lake? What exactly are they seeing; numbers, species, and locations? Are they on the bottom or floating? We need to get fresh specimens in order to get them tested at Cornell. By fresh I mean about to die or just deceased, not a day later. Is there someone I can contact directly? Or you can have them contact me directly at 585-226-5344. As of now I will be here all week. Without getting fresh samples to Cornell we likely will never know what caused these fish to die. Thanks! Brad Here is his email address: [email protected].
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What may be needed now is a special team composed of fisheries biologists from universities as well as DEC and law enforcement folks to thoroughly investigate it by taking water samples in various spots along the lake shore at selected depths and check for potential sources of toxins or contaminants, increased water salinity, and potential infectious sources (e.g. botulism, viruses?) and have Cornell examine the resulting samples as well as some of the dead fish carcasses. The usual or often used excuses of low oxygen levels and severe temperature changes as the source are total BS and should be viewed as unexceptable. Will this happen? - probably not.
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I'm with Firechief for Lake O but for the Finger Lakes 4 five leader Seth Greens (two on floats and two side rigs) 2 small dipseys run short from boards or outriggers
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In the first incident I had been standing in the exact spot the day before talking with a guy that was catching perch. There were quite a few people around us some kids ice skating and others throwing frisbies to their dog and walking all over the place etc. I wasn't able to fish that day and was just getting info from the guy. Next morning just before 7 AM I followed his tracks to the exact spot hoping to get some of those perch. Nobody else was around or within sight but I didn't think anything about it as there were many inches of ice the previous day and the temperature that morning was in the low twenties so I assumed nothing had changed overnight as far as ice conditions despite it having some snow on it. I didn't have my Clam shelter only a sled with my auger, depth finder, and bucket with rods. I was wearing a conventional snowmobile suit, several laayers of clothing with heavily insulated "moon boots". As per usual I had a pair of ice picks dangling from my neck. I made my way to the spot from the previous day and exactly when I arrived there ....swoosh the ice instantly dropped right out from under me and I found myself in water up to my chin and getting heavier by the moment from the freezing water soaking into my clothing....but....luckily I am 6 ft tall and my feet were on bottom AND I was not fishing in my usual depth of 15 ft or so or I wouldn't be writing this. It took me several minutes to get myself out by leaning heavily on my side and pressing on the edge of the ice as hard as I could rolling up onto it ( I had a large bruise on my side for over a month afterward) Luckily, some of the ice around the hole wasn't as weak as the spot I had gone through.The ice picks were of little use as there was quite a bit of hardened snow on the ice preventing them from digging in. Finally, I got myself out after exhausting my whole supply of swear words. I was freezing beyond belief and shaking and shivering very badly and again nobody was around except me. The one bright spot was that I had bought a large coffee and a cranberry muffin before going on the ice and had put it in my covered bucket in the sled all of which went in as well but I was able to retrieve it all and I sat there dripping water soaking wet shivering and drinking my coffee and eating my muffin and glad to be alive. By the time I reached my truck I was becoming hypothermic and even with the heater running full blast I couldn't fully warm up until hours later at home. Later that day I figured that water had been released about 500 yards from where I was down the outlet and it had probably eroded the ice overnight from underneath it and there was no way to tell from any visual appearance and with snow covering the ice as well. The first thing I did when I got home was to call the newspaper and police to let them know about the unsafe condition (right in front of the public beach). I did however refuse to give my name to the newspaper for obvious reasons Moral of the story: expect the unexpected and don't go out there alone.
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Many guys out there may be experienced fishermen but they don't have a clue about what it feels like to go through and that you don't even have a chance to react to going through. The ice just lets loose beneath your feet in an instant. It isn't a matter of hearing it crack and being athletic you figure you can avoid going in. Like during military combat situations where 19 year olds think they are invinceable and that bullets will only find OTHER people, careless ice fishermen often too eager to get out there are a lot more vulnerable than they realize. Another thing is that hypothermia can do you in even if you partially escape the initial disaster and it doesn't take as long as you might think. When you are wet with the wind whipping your body temperature becomes your worst enemy and the distance to shore can mean life or death. Your legs become numb and you either have a hard time walking or can't walk at all. This isn't some crap I read in a book somewhere....I've ice fished for most of my life and I have been through on two occasions and neither time was it because I went out on visually "questionable" ice. A lot of stuff can happen out there that you can't predict no matter how experienced you may be. Don't take unnecessary chances.