Sk8man

Billy is right....it varies from day to day there. I wouldn't discount your Seth Greens for sure because even the landlocks can be deep out there (e.g. 80-100 ft down) sometimes and with the variety of fish being caught out there you might end up with all you can handle if things continue the way they have been lately. You can also run some of the other options right along with the rigs. Flasher /fly combinations work there and be sure to bring ORANGE colored spoons with you There is something tobe said for running familiar stuff until you get a feel for the lake and then adjust your tactics accordingly as things change from day to day let alone weeks before going there.

I usually mix them up (flashers with and without echips), spinneys, and the older dodgers and I let the fish decide. I don't think there is a hard fast rule as I have caught fish on each. In my view it may be the particular action of one or the other at that particular time with that particular fish that seems to be the determining factor. There are just too many variables involved to really say one way of the other.I also think that whatever may have worked for someone in the past may influence the amount of time any one thing may be used so it may not a fair comparison between the options anyway. As mentioned above I have had better luck over time with all of them run off wire and dipseys rather than off downriggrers.

Geez Mike....I guess it makes tree work look easy compared with this stuff

Kevin you're such a romantic Nice going on the gobbler

Very cool

Many of the Finger Lakes have a "Long Point" whichonewere you fishing ?

My general advice would be this: Give careful thought to your questions before posting, keep in mind that there may be no single way of doing things that is the one and only correct way so you may receive multiple (but appropriate) answers to questions, be patient in your approach to fishing and pay careful attention to detail as you go along, weigh advice and information carefully and make your own conclusions about applying information to your own situation, weed out the things that don't work based on your own experience and maintain or improve the things that do work, don't look for the "silver bullet", only technology, or the "easy answer" to solve problems - actually get out there and try things out and experiment, and keep an open mind and respect the rights of others to their opinions whether they agree with yours or not.

You're right Tyee My 47's and 57's only see wire dipsey use and one for a 300 copper and they are great for that.

mudflat- I wasn't BSing about the 280 yds on a 47H reel I have 8 of them with it (Bloodrun Seaflee 30 lb test) on them. I used the 300 yd. spools and there is about 20 yds or so left over on the spools when finished putting it on the reels. It may not jive with the printed information but it is for real. I'm also not saying that the 47H's are a better solution reelwise just that it is possible to get decent capacity with them. I also have both the SG47LC3Bs and the SG57LC3B's and they have the capability of more line than what is stated in the specs. It may relate to the actual diameter of different brands of line and what they used in theri original calculations etc.

Gathering data and understanding what you are looking for by any means available and then interpreting it based on experience is the bottom line. Putting as much information as possible into the situation leads to increased chances of makng a good decision or conclusion. Paying close attention to detail while you're doing this out there is also very important as is visually assessing the situation and knowing what you are looking at. For example, looking for color lines or color differences in the water, birds congregating in an area etc. can sometimes be more important in locating bait or fish than specific water temperatures compared against preferd temperature charts at some points in the season. That is basically what I was saying above. It in no way diminishes the power of using termperature devices including the Fishhawk series. They are great devices made and serviced by a quality company

garrymny - There are various temperature preference charts out there and they sometimes serve as a good starting point as far as an estimation about where you might find the targeted species you seek but there are other factors at work guiding the fish locations such as the availability of bait or food sources and sometimes structure as well. Keep in mind that there are points in time during the season when water temperature plays little role in fish location and they may be found way outside of the preferred temperature range usually in search of food. There are times during the summer when chinooks for example may be found at the depths inhabited by lake trout (e.g.42 or 43 degrees) yet the preferred temperature charts may indicate temps in the low 50's. Differences even slight ones may be a very important at certain pints in the season as in early Spring when browns seek the warmest water they can find and this is often the nearest spots to the shoreline and the water may be only 2 degrees higher than the outer water but in the warmer weather when the thermocline forms they are often found at that 58 degree water temp where it meets the bottom - especially where it may be close to drop-offs or rapid changes of depth. What I'm getting at with these basic examples is that water temperature is only one aspect of the equation and some of the more complicated water temperature relationships (e.g. thermal breaks, thermal bars, vertical and horizontal stratifications etc. you ask about have a whole bunch of "what ifs" associated with them as well. That is why I offered my above suggestion about getting direct experience seeing this stuff in action. Some of these things can be visually observed even without a temperature device sometimes.