Sk8man

They are both great

If t were me I'd go with Hank's opinion.

Unfortunatly I think you could be right Bob.....it is a complicated problem

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I wouldn't totally write off Seneca. It was very difficult fishing in the mid to late 1970's too and it turned around. There is also something to be gained by fishing these lakes during challenging times because it forces you to learn a variety of things along with patience. Anyone can catch fish when times are good and there is an abundance of fish. From a learning standpoint fishing during lean times can teach you some critical lessons that you might not otherwise encounter. Just something to think about. By the way Cayuga has been thropugh this same slack time in the past when things were very lean too.

You might want to contact Brian on here about where you can get them I know folks have been real happy with his fast service GAMBLER ....here on LOU https://www.gamblerrigs.com/ https://www.facebook.com/Gambler-Rigs-1782944771938044/

Tyee is correct. I have two of them as well as the SG47 models and although they could serve as downrigger reels the 57 is a little bulky and heay duty for that application. The smaller reels such asthe 47 nd 27 don't have the high gear ratio high speed retrieve.but most downrigger use doesn't require it. They still have enough line capacity for downrigger use and a decent drag. I use one of my 57's for wire and another for a 300 copper and they are real good for that type of thing as well as for leadcore as mentioned by Tyee. I believe Diawa has discontinued that 57model so maybe if you still wish to have it there might be sale prices some place.

I can add something Get some of Brian's Gambler rigs if you really want to catch lakers and run them as mentioned as above....surefire way to get the big ones...

stoneam2006 check your PM again

That is great Chris....a day they won't soon (if ever) forget

Way cool Mike! Congrats to both of you.Nothing like that whole father/son experience. Man....where does the time go....Last time I saw him he was just up to your knee

Ben custom canvas is generally going to be expensive especially if you go with the longer lasting acrylic stuff. Mine was $1,000 formy 18.5 ft.boat. You can usually get a better deal by NOT going to a marina though as they get their cut which is substantial.On the good side you get a cover that fits well and keeps the water out and is wind resistant etc. If you keep your equipment in the boat and keep it outside it is essential. The UV rays from the sun wreaks havoc on many of the cheaper materials and especially the thread for the seams. Ask to have it double sewn if you go that route.

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stoneam see if ths PM reaches you if not I'll try the phone

Brian you sure don't need any help.....I think you're a major threat for the Trout derby on Seneca

Kev that is great to hear. I know that the fierce competitor he is the derby means a lot but the critical thing is that he gets better and gets to fish many more of them. I'm happy for ya bud I know how close you guys are.

stoneam2006 you have a PM

When you are in the EDIT screen the eighth icon from the left top area has a little smiley face icon Click it and it pulls up a menu box with a bunch of them to choose from

Hey Chuck I sure wasn't criticizing your approach but just kinda mentioning the "irony" for possible newbies reading the thread to give a little "perspective". I fully understand and agree with your reasoning.

In reading this thread I have to chuckle a bit. As someone who can remember when all this technology was starting up for the sportfisherman it is a little humerous to see the change in focus from just being able to see marks representing fish and bait and the changing bottom features and being somewhat amazed by it to the current focus on having the latest greatest leading edge technology claiming to accurately measure a minnow's blowhole at 200 ft. as though it will solve everything if one has it. I guess carefully selecting a unit that will give you the basic information you need for the types of fishing you do in the least complex way (e.g. without having to go through a myriad of menu screens while fishing) is what to shoot for. The most important thing given the current quality of units is taking the time to fully learn to use the features of the unit selected and spending time refining the settings to do what you need it to do. If the adjustments are too complicated or hard to find quickly or the screen isn't fully visible in sunlight the unit will suck no matter which one is selected. By the way I had my first depth finder (a Vexilar portable flasher) before even having a boat. The reason or motivation for getting it was that when I went fishing on my buddy's boat (no depth finder) when we still fished I was the guy that had to keep throwing the anchor out which was marked off in 25 ft intervals to see how deep we were. After a few times of this I became real interested in getting a depth finder