Sk8man

I can see you've given it thought and I guess anything s worth a shot to up your game if it actually does so. I guess seeing other guys with a certain color line spooled up may not mean that it is the "cats azz" though. They may have seen the same advertising. It is kinda like in ice fishing or perch fishing from a boat. Somebody leaves the launch and looks for the grouping of boats and goes there believing that those folks must be hammering them when in fact many of the others just got there sooner and nothing was really happening there. I hear ya on the teaching old dogs new tricks. I've been known to fall into that category myself My hunch is that depending on what you are targeting a 20 ft or so small diameter fluoroleader may be moreinportant than the braid color. One of the things I suspect that is going on with leadcore and copper may relate moreto the vibration in the water and with leadcore the "whipping" action so again there too the leader may be more important than the main line appearance (may either spook or attract). I would just increase the length of the leader and dial it down diameter wise for starters and especially for shallow water fishing m(e.g. for browns especially)..

You have mentioned that you use a fluoro leader. I'n not sure what length and fluoro is supposed to be "invisible" to fish so what difference would your main line make regardless of whether this is so if the leader the lure attached is fairly long how is the fish going to examine your main line that far away while trailing the lure? I think in general a lot of "overthinking" goes on here and this may be a good example of it. Also there is a lot of over reliance on technology in general today as it applies to fishing - much of it is marketing hype and it is highly successful and I've been as much a "victim" of it as well. People have been successfully fishing for eons without all the technology and some have always been better at it than others. It is probably because they were better at studying the fish habits as well as examining detail about what they were doing right as well as wrong, while seeking their targets Time to put the microscope away....... I guess and not fret about the miniscule details. There is always going to be some marketing genius out there inferring that you are doing something wrong or they have a better answer

I was merely trying to underscore your point that participation might be affected by folks doing other things I'm a little surprised by your comment.

April 1st is also the first day of trout fishing in streams in the Finger Lakes and trout derbies as well and some folks who also fish for perch may be fishing trout on that particular day.

Usually 2.3 to 2.5 conditions permitting for rainbows and landlocks. The blades are honking pretty good. Browns on the Fingers are a different ballgame altogether.

I'm afraid your question is going to generate a million more questions. Basically, there is no "magical" answer to it. It depends on what you're targeting (e.g. perch vs chinooks), the type of equipment you are using, what time of the year etc.. It boils down to personal preference in the final analysis regarding length, line diameter, pound test needed and even the particular brand used as again personal preference plays a role as well as breaking strength and these lines vary a lot in that regard. As in a lot of things the one size fits them all principle doesn't apply here.

I didn't make it to this show because I've been tangled up at home while they install a new kitchen hardwood floor (because of inept contractor installation of a new refrigerator water line = $9,000 damage). After years of going to shows and other venues whre new and used equipment is sold. I know that sometimes folks including me may have unrealistic expectations regarding "bargains" etc. There is often a real mix of vendors at the shows and for some it is just a "hobby", some it is a matter of unloading no longer used equipment, and for other small businesses where they depend on sales to keep going the "bottom line" is a very different issue and pricing is also a real consideration. New items have a very different actual cost attached to them as being recently purchased their initial (even wholesale as well) purchasing cost is higher than older items let alone used items. I know Fishy well and have done business with him over the years as well as close friends of mine. He is a very experienced fisherman and I know that his prices are fair and his profit margin is thin as a small businessman in contrast with the big stores that buy wholesale in humongous quantities. I have known many bait and tackle shop owners personally over the years in the Finger Lakes and most of them are now either deceased or no longer in business because of the difficulty competing with the "giants".. We need to support these smaller businesses that try hard to stock items of interest to us, give us personal advice and service etc..... Ilke a lot of things now days they are becoming an "endangered species".

The twinki meat rig works OK on the Fingers for lakers down deep and I know it may sound a bit unusual but if you are after the rainbows, landlocks and browns a medium sized blade worm harness with a large live nightcrawler or even an imitation one aboout 5 inches long run back a ways from the boat will be more effective for them. Small sets of cowbells with peanuts run 20-30 ft behind a downrigger will also work.

Brian does all the things right that a small business needs to do for success.....high quality product from someone who knows expertly what to do out there with the product and fair pricing and fast delivery.

I think I'll go with my earlier comments as far as the original question. The answer to Paul's question is basically the comparison is like apples to baseballs Fish diagonals across from upstream to downstream...where the fish tend to be lying facing upstream.

Thx Hank!

At least you have a whole lot of company John

The critical thng here is unreliability

That is truly encouraging