Sk8man

Congratulations Rollie!

I'll bet if those damned things were messing up the private lakes where the Fed legislators have their cottages they wouldn't be so "attached" to them. They have polluted a number of ponds on Cape Cod....totally worthless bird and they damage many things in the ecosystem.

I think a major thing today was the front moving through and the heavy rain last night. It probably messed up the thermocline pretty bad. The trout fishing has been way off historic levels for some time and especially so for the browns here and it was not a big surprise that none were entered today. At least it was "fishable" today although windy. I was also glad to see the launch ramp was doable and that there were no major problems. John - sorry I didn't get a chance to chat with you today as you were on the other side of the group at the weigh-in but I did get a chance to talk with a number of folks there and people I hadn't seen in quite awhile so was catching up on things. It looked like a good turn out today and everyone seemed to have a good time and that is the primary thing I guess. There were a few nice healthy looking bows in the mix too. The FLTA has some very skilled and well equipped fisherpersons in it and this was not one of the easiest tourneys to fish. Hopefully next year things will start turning around on Canandaigua. Congrats to the folks that caught bows....you earned them

Good report Brian. Those rigs were given a good work out today

Thanks for posting the article. It certainly gives some food for thought and offers some important points for hopefully gaining better overall perspective on the issue (s). Sometimes it is hard to see the "forest for the trees" in understanding the complexities involved in this fishery and hard for some to get past the emotional aspects or vested interests in our own particular positions. It is always good to step back away from things and try to look at issues with a fresh perspective. If anything this thread has provided a lot of useful information that we might not have otherwise been privy to and widened the discussion in many respects. Hopefully this dialog combined with responsible decisions by the critical players in this will lead to a good outcome and that is what is ultimately important to all of us regardless of views on the issues. The level of cooperation between the Canadian and American "coordinators" in this is also encouraging because this part of it could be a disaster waiting to happen if it were not the case. Despite the many difficulties and differing views on what is going on out there and how best to solve the problems we do need to keep perspective and be supportive of the efforts being made by folks on both sides of the lake and hope that Mother Nature also cooperates.

It sounds like he was able to launch OK in either case and that was what I was concerned about and wanted those guys to be aware of. Unfortunately I don't do Facebook so I guess i won't be able to see his handiwork this time

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I think if you combine Gator and Tile Man's comments you have an accurate assessment of the situation and unfortunately we humans often have the tendency to look at issues and problems in terms of a "single cause" approach as though one particular thing has "caused" something when in fact the problem itself is highly complex and interrelated and thus poorly understood from the start. We also have a tendency to look for "silver bullet" cures to problems.The Lake Ontario ecosystem is a good case in point. As we go along in time I become more more confident that nobody has a handle on the sum total of complex interactions going on here and it may take that to solve the problem effectively (if it in fact can be solved). There are many vested and perhaps conflicting interests involved as well and this adds to the difficulty in sorting things out. Some of the difficulty in getting a handle on the research data relates to the fact that we are dealing with a natural rather than laboratory experimental setting where effective "controls" are either not feasible or are not possible for a variety of reasons including expense and the necessary components for statistical analysis of the data are difficult to achieve or lacking (e.g. random sampling and normal distribution of the population data). This makes it nearly impossible to make any firm conclusions based on the "science" of the situation.

As usual great post Rick and great results for your clients .

I just thought I'd better give the FLTA members a"heads up" on the Woodville launch status. My son and I were there today checking things out and doing some perch fishing. It is my habit when at launches and especially when still dark to physically go out on the dock and look in the water to gauge depth, look for things that might screw up my boat etc. Well good thing I did because the idiot power loaders have been at it. They have piled up a large pile of rocks right at about the hallf way to two thirds point of the ramp and just beneath the surface. In the dark you might not notice it until too late. My boat drafts very little water (about 6 inches) so I was able to launch by just shoving off manually from the dock with my motor (outboard) all the way up out of the water until I got out a ways. then still shallow water drive as it is very shallow with mud that churns up and very thick weed growth some right up near the surface. I know it may not be real popular or convenient but for any of the larger boats and especially those not outboards I would suggest using the north end launch despite it being very shallow in the channel as well but boats have been using it (probably trimming their motors up on the way out and in). I 'd be staying in the center of the canal and maybe a little to the left as you are passing the swimming pool area going out and to the righ coming in (and that with the deck chairs out near the water) as it tends to be a bit deeper. It is probably only about 2 1/2 to 3 ft in the channel right now if that. Sorry to be the bearer of sad tidings but better to be aware than paying 2 or 3 hundred for a prop repair or worse .best of luck to all fishing the tourney. Surface temp today 66 degrees. Didn't have my other temp stuff with me. Massive amounts of bait on both sides at the south end in 29 to 40 ft of water (one 30 ft high and for a couple hundred yards. It was so thick that my perch rigs were tick ticking through it.

Might want to give Jason Dekouski a call at Finger Lakes Boat Repair 3443 East Lake Road Canandaigua, N.Y. (585)733-8337

That brings up something I have always thought about ....what about some of the smaller tribs that have some water through out the year (most don't but there are a few in normal years anyway) is there significant spawning of them in them? I remember even a long time ago when I used to get smelt in Kashong and Wilson Creeks a few would be mixed in with the smelt and also a little later when the suckers spawned there.

I think sometimes we may take a lot of things for granted (e.g. the DEC) and don't fully appreciate the time and effort that goes into making this fishery what it is and still can be. I also regret not being at the meeting the other night but I am also grateful to the guys that went (e.g. Rick, Jerry. and others) and for sharing your impressions with others on here and Vince for sharing his opinions which offer cogent alternative ways of thinking about these complex issues . I sincerely hope this all turns out right and that the lake gets back to a good balance. A good part of this will really reside with Mother Nature in the final analysis and hopefully she will cut us a break

Nice going Ted . Sounds encouraging at least to know there are some trout out there. This is the tough part of the season for me as I'm torn between the perch and trout fishing....guess it isn't such a bad problem to have though

One of the things I've been thinking about is that we had a record number of days in the 90's this year temperature and the amount of penetrating sunlight available had to be at record levels as well and with low water levels I wonder what this might mean as weed growth is very dependent on available sunlight as well as higher water temps and algae as well I should think.

I honestly think Vince is correct in his assessment of the situation. Scott- the computer/meeting approach has been done successfully by business for awhile now but unfortunately after nearly 34 years of working for the state I can tell you that they are not the most computer savvy folks even in terms of their main systems and the DEC has not even been able to put the fishing diary cooperator logs online let alone something more complicated . Most of the state computer system is very antiquated and for many reasons.

Good luck this weekend folks. I strongly suspect next year you'll keep lakers in the mix though here. It hasn't been easy fishing out here this season for most. Let's hope the weather cooperates but we sure as heck need some rain around here.

The apparent poor turnout is regrettable but sometimes it is a good idea not to throw stones until you actually know the "position or nature" of the"target". The ability to post something regarding the issue on here while engaged in other pressing issues or business or unplanned events (like vehicle problems) is very different than arranging to travel distances in the evening (e.g. older people driving in the dark with f'd up eyesight at night etc.). I'm sure there are many reasons that transcend the stocking issue in people's lives which does in no way diminish the issues involved or the desire to see things turn out right.

I'm with Vince

I launched at the south end of Canandaigua Saturday with my boat and outboard which is pretty much the equivalent of a 20 footer without problems. I was at the north end ramp last weekend and although I didn't go there to fish or launch the boat I spoke with the girl that was examining the boats for invasives and she said about 60 boats had been in and out again from the channel but I would recommend going out on shallow water drive or with your lower unit up aways. The lake is lower than I have ever seen it right now and there is an advisory in effect as far as using caution navigating near shore.