Sk8man

Keep experimenting. Don't get stuck in gear running the setups the same way all the time. Remember you may not be running as deep as you think especially with the riggers because of the strong underwater currents etc. As far as your speed vary it up and down as you go and keep an eye on it and when you do get one that could be the place to run at but also the currents vary throughout the lake and the water column so it is important to keep varying your speeds in the absence of a probe. Keep changing out your lures colors sizes, types etc. until you strike gold I'd keep at least a rigger down 100-125 all the time in the cooler water either with slider and spoons or flasher/spinney /fly. and although you'll probably encounter lakers too the chinooks like the ice water as well so some of the marks you see suspended down deep may be them. Always keep your eye out for bait and fish iot hard around it. Often the big boys may be cruising outside your fishfinder cone so you may not see the ones that are active and roaming. Good luck and you'll quickly know when it isn't a little one on the other end and it isn't a laker

Chris (Momay 4000) explained it perfectly.

The 5 ft per color is thought to be the rough estimate. There are a lot of variables to consider though such as waves messing with your speed, trolling direction (e.g.into vs. against the wind) differences between the 18 lb and 27 lb and 45 lb test, underwater currents, and what you are running for a terminal lure (e.g. stick, diver, spoon, magnum vs. regular size) possibly whether running down the chute or from a big board pulling it up and down in rough water) etc. and perhaps even the size and length of your leader. All that comes into play in terms of the exact depth you achieve. One of the ways you can examine this is to get something like a Fishawk TD and run it on your line for a closer estimate with different setups and experiment. This will give you a closer estimate than applying the standard "guesstimate".

Lets hope so Alec Good idea too.

Please give my best regards to your dad Kev and I hope he gets back in action soon.

I hear you Justin. Better to be safe than sorry as far as I'm concerned as you can't count on someone "believing you" but I I think like much of the law the onus would be on the person to prove it did come from there not the officer proving you didn't

The only caution I can think of is that you have to stay away from setting the dipsey past the last # (e.g. 3) as most of the time it will bring the dipsey to the surface

Frozen bait falls under the same regs too You still have to have a receipt for certified bait that is within 10 days old. As far as commercial prepared bait there is no date limitation but you have to have the original packaging for it. A potential problem with the uncertified bait reg when used in the water in which it was caught is that you have no proof that it was caught there so it would seem that it could possibly be risking a ticket using it even according to the applicable regulations.

Gordy Clow. He was also a trapper and I used to get my bait from him at this place and he skinned his hides there and there would be all sorts of hides on the floor of his place . He was a real character and I ran into him last year at that sawbelly place when he delivered some so he is still at it.

The lady is certified for them and issues a receipt with the number sold, date and her signature on the receipt. It is totally legitimate and she has been in business for many years. The guy who supplies the bait for years used to live next door to her and was a bait dealer too and supplied nearly every shop in this area. You can transport bait that is certified and you have a receipt that is within 10 days old and contains the above info on the receipt. The provision regarding use within the same body of water is referring to bait caught in that body of water that is uncertified and can only be used in that water. There is however a prohibition of possession or use in certain bodies of water as listed in the DEC regs e.g. Honeoye and others.

That is where I was going to say as well. She lives in the white house just east of where Churches (later Bob's Matresses) was and on the same side I think they are $10 a dozen.

It has to be great just to be out there solo without distractions enjoying that beautiful great little lake. Good luck out there.

Nice going Mike. Sorry I wasn't able to make it today ....sounds as though you had some fun anyway despite me not being there to bust your gourds

I think the 16 lb weight may be the origin of your problem. Those older models were rated for a maximum of 10 lbs so my hunch is that it has placed a continuous strain on the motor and it may i fact be failing but also you may want to try out a 10 lb weight on it and see if it is merely the 16 lbs itself that is the problem. They are slow regardless of weight though.

I used to run a stacked rod above cowbells usually for rainbows while targeting lakers on the cowbells so I kept the stacked rod with just a spoon quite aways above the cowbell setup and no tangles.

2lbperch - I think you might be OK with a 3/0 SS Siwash hook (Mustad I think 9510?) IT should be close enough to the treble in weight.