Sk8man

Separate subspecies

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Yep... what i was referring to when I said enough to prevent the wave action etc. from taking it out as it is enough to provide the necessary tension to keep them hooked up because they have to pull it pretty good at the start and the weight of the dipsey, flasher and wire combined with very sharp hooks (which also should be checked routinely and sharpened as necessary) are enough to accomplish it without problems. As important is reeling steadily without letting slack in the wire (or any line for that matter) and never "set the hook" as I've seen some folks do If the dipsey release tension is set right everyhting should function fine.

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You haven't seen anything yet Hop.....wait till the derby :lol: (I bought a whole sewing kit just for the pins to stick in the doll)

The guys have given you a good "wire 101" start. I would emphasize that you don't let out the wire using the free spool and thumbing it. What you do is set your drag so that it just creeps out evenly and slowly while you do other stuff and intermittently monitoring it. If you try the thumbing approach it can get away from you as well as go down too fast tangling everything up on the way. Frequently check the terminal end of the wire each time (trip) before using it for any broken strands and re-do the connection if you spot any break in it. Set your drag so that wave action won't trigger it but a fish will and watch your rod tips constantly as it can tell you when you are too fast speed wise as well as when a small fish may be on because especially with lakers sometimes they feel the lack of "give" of the wire and just come right along without fighting until they feel you pulling on the rod. Don't "horse" the fish because the wire is unforgiving as may be the fluoro leader (little to no stretch) reel the wire in smoothly and observe the wire coming on the reel to make sure it doesn't cross thread on you. When you are transporting it is critical to maintain tension on the wire at all times whether using a two piece rod or single. Some folks use a bungee setup to maintain tension. others fasten the swivel to a rod eye, while others keep their dipseys right on the rig strapped to the rod in various ways....whichever way you choose it must keep the tension. The 30 lb wire needs more attention than say 60 lb (on my Seth Green rigs for example which have lasted over thirty years and are still like new) The thinner the wire the more likely the wire will develop curly Q's in it and retain "spool memory" so as already mentioned periodic monitoring is important and just cut out small section where it occurs as necessary. You won't ever totally get rid of the problem but it can be controlled this way. As far as maintenance of the wire itself as long as the tension is kept and any kinks deleted from it the only thing to remember is during long periods of storage back off the drag on the reel so that it will hold the wire but not be under full spool tension. The turning radius of the boat with your particular setups will depend on many things (rod spacing, angles, rod length, trolling speed, and overall configuration of your setups. Suffice it to say you want to minimize tangles as they are particularly problematic with wire (and combined with stuff like leadcore or braid etc.). I know I'm sounding pessamistic but keep a pair of wire cutters handy for these potential situations...like it or not....s..t happens . Make any turns gradual and observe the angle and position of your lines and adjust accordingly if necessary.

It was from when I stuck the pins in the voodoo doll Hop because of the busting comment above

Yeah Nick's boat would fit right in the with ones on Deadliest Catch or the Carnival Cruise lines

"I got an "D" in math." It wasn't my best subject either Jim I think I learned a bit more from Seth Green than the math stuff

Good luck with it Mike. It is a great little kicker and I know you have always treated it with care as you do the rest of your stuff and it has run great when we've been out so it would make a great addition to someone' boat.

Man it was bad enough \when he was on the east side and hammering the browns now the rainbows will be in for it

I have a hunch that the connector fittings may be upside down on that installation in the pic. Mine are facing upward so that when you disconnect the rod you just lift up the rod when releasing from the boat when necessary. I should think it would also be easier to drop the rod in the water with them pointing downward as has been done reportedly by folks on here. I'd be interested in an experienced marine installers take on it.

fishmaster -Yes Seth and I went to Middle School together and he told me back then in 18 hundred something never to use Power Pro braid for my rig lines....I should have listened to him When I mentioned the Seth green rig being used on Keuka I was talking about its start in being used in the conventional way it is today ((i.e. vertically in the water column with horizontal leaders) but you are correct that the concept itself originated before that point of use.

Fishing Hemlock with Seth Greens can be a good idea but I think you'd want to have a bigger boat/motor setup as they create a bit of drag especially if you get something big on or hung up on something and I think the electric motor would be really struggling and using a lot of juice just trying to trollwith it as well. Good way to fish but could be taxing and perhaps even unsafe with your current setup.

Very well said Mike and Mike .....my sentiment exactly too.

I have to admit....I'm VERY jealous

It seems to be the pics of the entire boat rather than the components

Frogger - I'll be very interested to know how you make out with that new motor Mike.

Sorry about that Nick.....you'd better start worrying though ...when an old dude like me beats ya to the punch

I'll take them Dave. I''l send a PM