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Spin Docs or Paddles
Sk8man replied to overthelimit's topic in Questions About Trout & Salmon Trolling?
It isn't a stupid question......many of us on here use terms that WE are familiar with but may be unfamiliar to others . "Meat" refers to the use of actual prepared (dead) bait fish or imitations of bait fish which are trailed behind attractors such as a flasher, dodger or Spin Doctor (plastic or metal objects (sometimes referred to as "paddles") used to get the fishes attention and run in front of the bait (meat) which trails behind it twirling around in the water (twirling is achieved by bending the bait in the desired way). Common sizes of the attractor are eight inches and 11" sizes. The bait is attached usually to a plastic "head" which has a short 3 or 4 ft leader fed through it holding the bait in place and containing heavy duty single and or treble hooks trailing and integrated with the bait. The bait can usually be twisted to give it the desired action behind the attractor and sometimes small fly like additions are placed ahead of the plastic head which are referred to as twinkies. I'm attaching a pic (not one of mine) that gives a general idea. Other folks may have closer up pics to show you but at least you'll get the idea. -
where are the salmon
Sk8man replied to Jose's topic in New York Fishing Reports - Lake Ontario (South Shore)
The best bang for your time might be to contact your state legislators. I just sent Assembly Minority Leader Brian Kolb an email copying him in on this thread. Albany often only reacts to concerns when political pressure is applied, matters are made known publicly, or they can directly benefit in some material or personal way from the issue. Assemblyman Kolb on the other hand has been on the right side of many issues (e.g. trying to end the corruption in Albany) and I hope he might be able to shed some light on our concerns regarding the hatchery situation and King dilemma.....we'll see. -
Usually locating active fish is one of the most important aspects as a starting point and the two methods are quite different in that regard. With trolling you are playing the odds in favor of covering many places to increase your chances whereas in jigging you locate fish and then spend an increased amount of time over them trying to get them to hit. If you don't encounter actively feeding fish neither strategy will work well. Each of these methods has its strengths and weaknesses. For example still fishing with live bait is probably the most effective method for lakers but if they have been gorging themselves or feeding at night in the moonlight before you locate them they may not even look at the bait.
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Joe I hope you have better luck than we did today at the north end. Lost a 6 pound plus bow about10 ft from the back of the boat and one hit and run on the wire out 250 (bow was 60 over 150 off downrigger Great Lakes Keuka Wobbler yellow and green. The weeds were modest at the north end but the fleas were the worst I've ever had on my lines 6-8 ft long and 1/2 inch around on the riggers (30 lb Sea Flee) and intermittent on the wire dipseys but wouldn't even come through the roller tips....what a pain. A lot of fish marked (mostly lakers) on or near bottom in 60-100 ft of water (wouldn't touch anything we tried even cowbells with cheaters above) and a lot of bait in 40-60 ft. Even when frequently checked the lines were 2-4 ft of fleas on them.
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where are the salmon
Sk8man replied to Jose's topic in New York Fishing Reports - Lake Ontario (South Shore)
Great perspective on the issues Vince. Lets hope intelligence prevails in this situation and someone with some sway can map out and implement meaningful changes that yield the result we all desire......before it is too late. Unfortunately bureaucrasies are slow to change and usually reactionary not proactive in their efforts. -
Line Color
Sk8man replied to Money Shot's topic in New York Fishing Reports - Lake Ontario (South Shore)
There may be some much more important things to consider than COLOR of line in its selection starting with the specific use of it. Color may have more importance to US than to the fish such as when we want high visibility outside the water to see where our lines are or what we think is low visibility when fishing shallow or clear water conditions or very "green" water( e.g. using clear or moss green for instance). Each type of line considered whether used in fresh or salt water has has its own characteristics to evaluate for a given situation or use. Line types such as mono, braid, fluorocarbon, copolymer, etc. all have their strengths and weaknesses and again the selection depends largely on what you intend to do with it. A lot of the decision will come back to personal preference factors and familiarity for most folks, but there are also some claims by manufacturers that may come into play and influence the decision such as knot strength, smoothness for castability, small diameter for increased line capacity on reels, sinkability (leadcore and copper) for specific depth control, ability to cut through the water well (stranded wire), and lack of visibility in the water (fluorocarbon). Some of these claims may or may not be accurate or truthful in my view. For example the lack of visibility of fluorocarbon.....how has that been determined? My hunch is they are referring to humans viewing it in the water and that is a real problem because the eye structure of a fish is quite different than that of humans and if based on fish...how the h did the fish report the information? Some previous research data reporting the visibility of lures underwater had similar credibility problems because it was based on human diver observations (e.g. human vision and the number of feet where red, green, blue are visible and then seem to "disappear"). Line selection will most likely be a "trade-off" for most folks and now days the water fleas add another important dimension to the equation; substantially increased line diameter (e.g. 30 lb and above to help keep the fleas at bay as contrasted with previous selection of 10-12 lb test in times past). I have shifted back to mono use from fluorocarbon for deep applications such as copper or wire rigs because I believe that there needs to be a slight bit of"stretch" in the line somewhere for good hook-ups and when you have basically none (using fluoro leaders on wire or copper) the chances of hook pulls or break-offs increase. I gave up using snubbers in the late seventies so this is my "substitute" for those folks who like them This seems especially true of flies so I now tie my own with 50 lb Big Game and so far no break-offs. I still use fluoro leaders of varying lengths for shallow water or clear water conditions and downriggers and run them further back when up high because of a little more stiffness in it which seems to impart a little more action to the lures. I m no charter guy spending massive amounts of time out there and what I have stated here is anecdotal and not based on hard research and is merely an opinion so I imagine that some folks will have a very different view of things but I think it is important to give folks new to this activity something to think about and form their own opinions anyway. -
Starting the search and research for my first boat. Where to start?
Sk8man replied to nomad_archer's topic in This Old Boat
In the end it will end up being "personal preference" but there are some general things to consider. You have a vehicle that will pull most boats nicely and apparently you intend to tow..Since you intend to use the boat on the Finger Lakes a boat with a deep V hull is advisable and something about18 ft long minimum should be considered as it can get rough on these lakes sometimes in a hurry. A glass boat will usually ride more comfortably on the water but will usually be considerably heavier than a same sized aluminum boat so gas consumption on the tow vehicle will probably be greater but if your wife will be riding in it frequently a glass boat may be more suitable ....one with comfortable seating. whatever you decide "try before you buy" in any case. If you intend to seriously fish for species such as trout of salmon try to think ahead as far as does it offer sufficient space in the back and width of the gunwales for mounting rod holders or later on if you decide to use downriggers etc.. Will a swim platform or other structure be in the way if I decide to install a secondary motor later? Do I want an outboard motor or an I/O, 4 cycle (newer motors) or 2 cycle (where you have to mix oil with gas) etc. There are unending considerations but in order to make an informed decision you need to actually get into the boat and go for a ride and perhaps on a day when there are some small waves to get a real feel of handling it. This far from coves the potential considerations or issues but hopefully steers you toward the process. Good luck. -
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where are the salmon
Sk8man replied to Jose's topic in New York Fishing Reports - Lake Ontario (South Shore)
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where are the salmon
Sk8man replied to Jose's topic in New York Fishing Reports - Lake Ontario (South Shore)
I guess it is human nature and maybe the way our brains organize information to look for the "silver bullet" or one thing or cause that explains it all but it is seldom that complex problems or situations are solved in that manner. It is also commonplace to place blame on things or people we either don't fully understand or are angry with or resentful toward or perhaps even jealous of. One of the major dangers in this current situation is something that also plagues life's problems in general and that is loss of perspective. It is something that appears to be potentially present in this current situation. We all have varying opinions about what exactly is going on out there but none of us actually knows that any one particular thing is to blame for the "alleged" decreased numbers of kings caught or that may or may not have shown up on our depth finders in a particular area of the lake or at a particular time of the season. So in short nobody truly has a firm handle on this including the DEC or the charter captains or the recreational sport fishermen so getting into the blame game and fostering extreme emotions will do absolutely nothing to help this situation. To air our views and opinions is important in gaining a better understanding of the problem here and a lot of good information in this regard has been offered.....but again it is only conjecture, opinion, and personal views we are dealing with...not hard solid research data so keeping that in proper perspective is important as we go along in time. Some of this may become clearer as the end of the season soon hits, and the pier fishermen and stream guys, and the Salmon River hatchery folks get a better look at the numbers showing up. In comparison to most other places we still have a wonderful viable and diverse fishery on Lake Ontario despite the many concerns. -
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Writing Down Information on Salmon Catches
Sk8man replied to KilliansRed's topic in Open Lake Discussion
Keeping that log information is probably one of the smartest and most productive uses of time spent not actually fishing. I did it for many years until many of those patterns became embedded in my brain. It is especially useful for the perch fishing. What you find is that they travel the same areas year after year and once you know these routes and structures, and have examined their stomach contents over time you can tap into the patterns and you just travel along it and they will most often be within a hundred yards or less from where they were the previous year and in roughly the same depth and there are times of the year when they appear totally absent and then you find them way out deep gorging themselves on fresh water shrimp or baby crayfish in shallow. The trout patterning is a bit different and seems more reliant on water temperatures and depth and varies quite greatly by species and is more affected by particular weather conditions of a particular year and warming/cooling of the water layers. I eventually gave up on recording the particular lures or spoons or their color for that matter because I found that it didn't seem to pattern much but the size of the spoons and sticks did matter a lot as the size of the bait they feed on changes and it can be helpful to try to match it as the season goes along. It is often very instructive looking at the information over the span of several years so it is worth the patience and consistent effort involved in collecting the data. Salmon patterning is a whole different matter as the last couple years have aptly pointed out -
Ditto on Justin's "karma" comment Mike. My son and I once were in a perch tournament on Seneca and hammering the jumbos when a half dozen boats came right in on us making all kinds of racket with their engines and actually cast their sinkers right inside our boat.....probably good I had forgotten my flare gun that day
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For Sale : USA johnson 9.9 for sale
Sk8man replied to meangreencj7's topic in Classifieds - Buy, Sell, Trade or Rent
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pulneyville
Sk8man replied to john1947's topic in New York Fishing Reports - Lake Ontario (South Shore)
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where are the salmon
Sk8man replied to Jose's topic in New York Fishing Reports - Lake Ontario (South Shore)
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where are the salmon
Sk8man replied to Jose's topic in New York Fishing Reports - Lake Ontario (South Shore)
After 40 years of fishing the Lake O salmon I would offer the following advice to the folks who might be considering giving up after a short run there. These phenomena have always been cyclical and for various reasons (bait availability both plus and minus, hatchery problems, viruses, various potential predation factors, water levels, tough winters, the effects of invasive species etc. etc. The key word here is cyclical and the lake has always seemed to be in a "catch up" mode in that regard.....but it eventually happens despite all the "gloom and doom" scenarios. Back in the seventies folks couldn't unload their properties on the lake fast enough or cheaply enough because of the Mirex scare but a few years later things were back again. One of the things I've experienced firsthand on both Seneca and Ontario is that these tough lean years can serve a valuable function as well as being frustrating and that is that it can make you better fishermen if you persist and don't give up. It forces you to become more resourceful, to pay closer attention to detail, to become more tolerant of longer times taken to catch fish, and above all patience which in this day and age is becoming a rare virtue. Everyone now expects instant answers and solutions to complex problems and this current state is one of those situations.....it rarely happens in real life. The current bait levels of alewives continue to concern me but I also remember that in the past when levels of them get out of control there comes a massive die off smelling up the beaches so it make take something like that for the lake to be able to "auto correct" too.