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Sk8man

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  1. I went solo this morning at 6AM and launched at the north end and stayed there at the north end for most of the day. I had no sooner (5 minutes of fishing) got my lines in the water (2 downriggers one with slider the other with a section of leadcore, a 300 copper with spoon and the rigger fired.with a 4 lb laker 55 ft down over 69 ft. A few minutes later I had a triple both riggers and the copper ended up with 5 lb laker and lost the other two fish before I could get to the rods one stripped some line pretty good. A little while later about 7:30 the 55 ft downrigger went off and as soon as I cinched up the slack I at first thought I had bottom or something it was so heavy but I was in 70 ft and then it took off peeling line and staying down. I was running the big motor and needed to slow it down but was unable to get to the throttle (I guess an autopilot would be nice after all ) Anyway the fish was barely budging even woith the drag tightened down pretty good and then all of a sudden I could feel it give and he was gone.....very heavy fish but didn't get a look. i trolled in that area from 6-noon and caught 8 lakers and 3 rainbows all released except the biggest rainbow that I had a hell of a time getting the hook out of and he was a nice 25 inch male and interestingly had dark markings on his cheeks and in his mouth. I trolled out deeper when things shut off and marked only one fish in 3 more hours of trolling south (east side/middle to Pelican Point). The bait and fish seem to be at the north end and on the west side right now. While I was fighting the rainbow the Canandaigua Lady went by and the people were scoping things out.....quite the audience Most of the fish came on the same no name taped up spoon. Fun day!
  2. A lot of things are possible but that doesn't mean it is always the best thing to do. What you describe can be done (and has) but is it the most effective use of either the downrigger or the cowbell setup and that is the real question. I very frequently run a "cheater" setup just a few feet above cowbells......but not on a downrigger.... on a Seth Green rig and often run two of them simultaneously. The purpose of it is very straightforward - the fish is attracted by the blades of the cowbell rig and peanut or Spin-N-Glow and then coming along a relatively short distance behind it (looking wounded) comes a medium weight spoon on a leader that originates about 4 to 6 ft above the cowbell setup on a leader about 15 ft long attached to the main line by a bead chain. It is a VERY effective setup for lakers but it is also bottom oriented (where they usually are) and on a rod (roller tip wire rig) that you can manipulate so that the 2 lb sinker bounces off the bottom creating turbulence that attracts the lakers attention. It is a Finger Lakes rig not for kings . I know some folks bounce downrigger balls off the bottom but in my case I hope it is only accidentally The cowbells are largely a bottom oriented strategy and stacked downriggers are not the best way of achieving success in that area (although they can be used and have been used there) and they are best used for suspended fish and the best successes with lakers and cowbells are near or at bottom so why not use the cowbell setup in a way geared for maximum effectiveness? Stacking lines on downriggers is mainly a strategy for suspended fish. When I use cowbell setups from down riggers they are usually run close to the weight and just off bottom and best run from shallower to deep and letting out cable as I go (avoiding hangups on bottom).
  3. As far as I am concerned the furor is a whole lot of BS about nothing as the fish was a beauty and it stands as that period. I guess it could be a lesson of sorts though about mentioning anything about "state records" in a post no matter what the intention.....just the words alone seem to arouse potential controversy. I don't think you need to defend anything either.....it was an uncommonly large walleye in a small body of water without an ongoing stocking program and the fish is apparently still out there for someone else to have fun with in the future. State records are fine but it isn't necessarily what our sport is about or even good sportsmanship is about for that matter.
  4. Nice going ifishy. Good example of why it pays to experiment with different stuff than we may be used to
  5. For those folks just starting out or new to fishing for king salmon some additional basic information (based on my own experience at least) about them may help or be in order. Kings are a very special fish with special circumstances when compared with trout or most other fish for that matter. They have a very highly defined life cycle with fairly strict time limits imposed on them to feed, grow, breed and die. This situation needs to be considered when fishing for them at different points in the season, and it is especially important as we move toward the Fall. There are also big differences in fishing for mature vs. immature fish as they have very different needs or habits in their respective parts of the life cycle. The imatures wil actively feed all throughout the season increasing their growth rate rapidly while once the kings mature they are concerned mainly with procreation and propagation of their species and their feeding needs decrease as the season wears on and drops off rapidly with the changes going on in their bodies as the staging and actual spawning starts to occur. These mature fish are now motivated and maybe "obsessed" with spawning concerns and the search for their ancestral root locations, "mates", and territorial defence of nesting or potential nesting sites so they become very aggressive in their behavior and this behavior is very different than feeding responses. Out in the lake as they are searching for or homing in on the streams or locations of their origin or birth they may unleash their aggression on any object coming to their attention especially if they perceive it to be a threat of some sort to their instinctual spawning concerns or processes. In this case the use of bright shiney highly colored up or erratic action lures and attractors are the things to go with to provoke them and get them to evoke the aggressive behavior. Sometimes this even may translate to them attacking the attractors rather than the spoon or fly itself. At this time of the season a much different "mind set" is needed to be adopted by the successful chinook fisherman. It is all about getting the the mature kings attention and provoking him to respond. The immatures will still respond to spoon and fly presentations as in feeding situations and scattered at different depths or mixed in with matures while staging kings may not respond to anything at all or only if provoked (sometimes repeatedly) and sometimes they can be seen in large groups on or toward bottom looking like stacked up cordwood off the mouth of or near stream mouths waiting for the water levels or conditions to be good for spawning. To be successful catching them it is necessary to understand this basic pattern in their behavior and the changes in strategies needed to consistently catch them and during this time water temperatures are nearly totally irrelevant to them
  6. Now that is the information I'd be going with especially at this point in the season and fishing the marks anywhere around any bait is always a good idea too.
  7. With the water temp well into the 70's it can be expected that all sorts of things will be generating increased influence and presence in the lakes and some of the fish species may have trouble adapting quickly enough to it as well causing "die offs" and the fleas will probably be increasing exponentially until they reach a critical point or the water temps drop (say in the Fall). The lake changes don't have to be caused by runoff or direct actions man etc. (although that is not to say it isn't a real problem) There are many chronic things happening to the lakes over time that change their very nature (e.g. becoming eutrophic for example....going from cold water bodies to algae rich and vegetative warmer bodies over time) and the introduction of invasive species of various types may be pushing the envelope in some of them in a variety of ways in lakes such as Seneca and Cayuga.
  8. Great job! The look on their expressions says it all really...they are psyched
  9. Chris I sent you a PM
  10. That is one heck of a beautiful brown but I think it may be more like 12-14 lbs max. not 19 as estimated at 32 inches
  11. Nice going Mike and good report. My cousin is up here from Nashville and I'm still figuring out where to take him fishing sometime this week....Cayuga looks pretty good from what you've been doing there Seneca is sounding pretty weedy right now and Lake O is always a big question mark regarding the weather....ah the big decisions in life
  12. If you've checked both ends of the connections (for corrosion etc.) it sounds as though you have a wire that is separated.... possibly the ground wire. It would seem that either it needs to be cut and rewired to a new connector or a whole new wire with connectors needs to be purchased.
  13. Great report and great fish and despite the fact that it may have been a record fish I think you did the right thing releasing it to keep the gene pool going That is what true sportsmanship is all about
  14. Nice report Mike. Sounds as though you had some fun out there and that's what it is all about
  15. Thanks tinfin your guess is as good as mine on the fight etc. I've often wondered if it was because they may have been hooked before and got away and they know what is coming when they see the net especially. Also some of them seem to instinctively go for your other lines or head straight down and toward the prop of the motor. I think they may be a little smarter than we give them credit for
  16. Yes good to have some of different sizes. The 71's are good when fish are feeding on larger sawbellies or smelt (rare now) but sometimes they mainly want smaller spoons especially the silvers. I've had good luck with the Great Lakes #44's and the #35's especially on the Fingers but they all seem to work well and are well made.
  17. There shouldn't be much of an interference problem with other transducers because it operates at 70 khz and that frequency was selected on purpose to avoid just that. Most modern depth finders are either 50, 83/200 or combinations of higher frequencies (DI or SI units)
  18. No. The owner Jason is just getting his website together so he is on Facebook right now. I don't do social media so I don't have the exact URL unfortunately.
  19. Wow that is a shame. The first year I pulled it off two rods because of the stretch but after trying different stuff I went back to it because it still did a better job as far as the fleas and I figured I could live with the stretch problem. This 30 lb stuff no matter what brand still feels like rope to me after fishing for so many years with 10-12 lb
  20. :lol: Luckily nothing hit my leadcore last time out as it still had 12 lb leader on it for same reason Mike
  21. Have a look at the Great Lakes Lures on Facebook....they work great and hold up well. Also the smaller Revolution spoon for the Finger Lakes.
  22. Each of these things mentioned has a plus and minus sign attached to it . At this time of the season the water fleas (and especially this year) heavily influence a decision regarding what to run. The fleas rapidly accrue on braided line even 50 lb or more. The types of line that seem to do better with them are 27 lb lead core, copper line, and 30 lb test Bloodrun Sea Flee mono. Some folks swear by 30 lb Big Game mono (and I've used it for years) but with heavy fleas even that gets clogged up. Right now is a real test of anything you put down there in most of these lakes and the only way to deal with most setups is to keep checking and clearing your lines VERY frequently (say at 15 min. intervals). The major problem is when you are reeling in a fish with the fleas on your line (and especially the big highly active ones on Lake O) in that you have to clear the fleas on the way in and they are sometimes like ropes hanging on your line and they take time to clear all the while the fish is fighting and this process also introduces slack in the line allowing the fish to frequently get off. An additional thing to consider right now is that in the Finger Lakes many of the fish are usually going deep about now so your setups need to be able to reach down to get them so if you aren't using downriggers some type of weighting system may be needed on your lines to get down there. During the early months of the season lead cores, short coppers, braid lines on boards, and even toplines work well when there aren't fleas and when the fish are in shallower regions of the lakes but in late summer you need to get down to them and when you do you will encounter the fleas at varying depths and in varying concentrations throughout the water column so this imposes limitations on what particular setups you use as well. Whether you decide to go with leadcore or braid (or copper) boards or no boards without dipseys you'll have to use some sort of weight system to get there. An exception to this on some of the Fingers for instance is targeting bug feeding rainbows near the surface out in deep water (150 ft plus) and fishing with boards with very small spoons near the surface but again you'll have to clear lines frequently. Mike I'd be glad to meet with you again to go over the boards etc. if you wish just PM me.
  23. The way I look at it is just one more possible weak link added to the setup. I abandoned them in the early eighties. I seldom lose fish and in my view they are unnecessary if the drag is set properly and your hooks are kept very sharp (something that is often neglected) but it is another one of those issues that is mainly personal preference and if someone feels they have confidence in them and they are useful to their particular setup then that's fine too.
  24. Sk8man

    SLR eyes

    Nice work Kevin and Gene. Great looking eyes there.
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