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Hughes Marina (Sunday 7-26-15) - Admiral Byrd and I got off to a late start (for us) in his boat and started fishing about 9AM. Based on what we had heard we started in about 170 ft of water with three wires a 10 color leadcore and two downriggers with one cheated and headed northwest. Initially we marked a few fish suspended but no takers then a while later Bob pulled in a laker about 9-10 lbs that had a malformed mouth ( pic didn't take for some reason). It was a gorgeous day with a relentless sun and after that fish we marked hardly anything and worked out way out to 600 plus ft of water hoping to run into some steelies at least...nada. Bob had a real ripper on the spinney fly combo along the way that ate his fly after ripping line. and another brief one ...I had zip no hit no runs no fish left on base . After 6 hrs of fighting thick fleas and moderate biting flies without any action whatsoever (normal refusal to give in by both of us but anyone else's sanity would have been checked) it was going on 6PM as we returned to the 100-150 range considering whether to call it quits but opted not to just yet and started marking a little bait near bottom and a few fish down there. We figured they were probably lakers but what the hell so we located our downriggers one with bob's secret weapon rig on it and mine with a slider and parked the spoons at 85 over 100 ft. A little while after marking those bottom oriented fish my rigger fires and line starts peeling out. At first I thought that because it headed for bottom it might be a real big laker but another run made it obvious that it was a king.I was expecting it to come up and shoot out of the water but it didn't and it stayed down and under and heading toward the boat fighting like H the whole way and taking line intermittently. We had a brief look and confirmed it was a decent king then back down. It was then he decided to head toward the wires and a leadcore and there was absolutely nothing I could do to keep him out of that area. Bob was trying to move rods and I was threading my rod with him on it under and over rods etc. but to no avail he finally succeeded in tangling us in two wires and the leadcore.....add to this we had severe fleas on each of those lines so no way to quickly clear them as well as intermittent fleas on the 30 lb Sea Flee downrigger line he was on. Finally after several chinese fire drills Bob was able to get some of the tangles undone and fleas cleared all the way in and he attempted to net the fish who tried to stay down all he could and was not cooperating at all and made some more runs when he spied the net. I finally managed to get him to the net and we had him fully inside the net and he jumped up in the air and out of it (not just sliding over the side of it like they sometimes do...he jumped totally clearing the rim of it) and peeled line again. Once more we managed to get him in the net and thought we had him and he again jumped over the rim of the large salmon net and took line. He was starting to tire a bit and the third time we finally managed to get him in the net but but still fighting. In all my years of fishing in both fresh and salt water this was pound for pound this was the best fighting fish I have encountered and he has earned my total respect and unfortunately he was totally expended at the end so I couldn't release him or I would have. He was a 20 pound specimen that fought like something twice his size and a valiant fighter. Hail to the king! A few minutes later Bob's secret weapon rig peeled line and he was on to another king which he boated without incident since some of our lines were still out of the water etc. It was one about 16-18 lbs. We were still digesting the experience of the other fish all the way home and thank God I wasn't fishing solo as I never would have got him in and it was an experience I won't soon forget despite having caught many larger fish. It was one of my more memorable fishing experiences.Thanks Bob.
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fish finder problems
Sk8man replied to hookedupf7's topic in Questions About Trout & Salmon Trolling?
Puck is another name for the transom mount transducer -
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Gill-T's method is what I used to use when I did it and it usually works out well that way.
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I-Bay 7/25
Sk8man replied to Sea-IV's topic in New York Fishing Reports - Lake Ontario (South Shore)
Great report....sounds as though you had a great day despite the rough start at the dock -
Rod, Reel, Line questions
Sk8man replied to Big Deal's topic in Questions About Trout & Salmon Trolling?
Those reels will work (minimally) but they are pretty light on the line capacity especially for kings. The fleas will keep you busy with the braid so advisable to check lines very frequently. Any rods you use with the wire will require either a twili tip or roller tip. Not sure what kind/size boards but that seems very light for boards not to mention the fleas. -
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Hughes 7/25
Sk8man replied to ben schroo's topic in New York Fishing Reports - Lake Ontario (South Shore)
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Usually when you see kings hugging bottom they are in numbers (e.g. pre-staging or staging) and often appear as stacked up cord wood frequently off the mouths of streams or rivers and later in the season. I'm thinking most likely lakers but depends where in the lake they were spotted too and the water temp down there as temps in the 60's has been reported recently down in the 80 ft down range so if the temp breaks a little colder right near the bottom could be browns as mentioned and they can tolerate the 60's temps better than lakers for sure.
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#8 Spro power swivel (50lb test)
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Good lord the wife asked to go fishing
Sk8man replied to LOSTFROMFLORIDA's topic in Open Lake Discussion
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You have a swivel snap at each end of the slider. The lure goes on one end and the other you snap onto the main line once the lure is down far enough for separation of it from the main lure (I use 15 ft as an example) I then snap the swivel end of the slider on the main line and let down the downrigger weight to the desired depth. You CAN set the downrigger to the desired depth and do it but depending on the weight of the spoon it may not travel very far down the mainline (e.g. a light small flutter spoon).
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First of all thanks for your highly detailed report Dave. It could serve as a good "template" for the rest of us . One of the things that can be very beneficial to each of us is taking good notes when fishing (or afterward) but few people truly take the time to do it. Your post provides a real good outline for folks to follow in doing so. The review of notes from different time frames and locations over the years offers a goldmine of information regarding "what to do when" out there. At the risk of being "hog tied" by southenders because I'm a northender I'd say that often the fishing at the south end tends to be better in the Spring and Fall into winter specifically for browns and landlocks. Summertime fishing on Seneca is often a "crap shoot" no matter where you are and once again notes taken over the "long haul" can be important in looking for any location trends for the different species and thermocline information at that time of the season. The two ends of the lake are very different "animals" to fish as is mid lake. In the Spring and Fall they may be very much like fishing "different lakes" so different strategies may apply to them to be successful. It is of interest to note that in the not so distant past the guys from the south end stayed pretty much in that end of the lake as did the northenders stick to the north end to mid lake (I'm being serious now). Now days and especially with the information sharing on LOU we've all become a little more comfortable ranging throughout the lake at different times of the year and I think this is adding a lot to the quality of information we can gather and share with a common goal. I can remember when information was jealously "guarded" even between fishermen at either end of the lake and it is gratifying to see that this has changed considerably and has opened up the opportunity for great friendships to develop as well and it adds a very valuable dimension to our sport and many thanks to LOU for bringing this about
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Good to see that you've recovered from your misfortune and are back in gear again Ed. May the fish gods be kind to you this season.....I think you have fully paid your dues bud.
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Sliders are short sections of line (e.g.2-8 ft long) with a swivel at each end used to run a second lure on a single downrigger. They can be free sliding or fixed at a certain point on your main line once it is let out in a number of ways (different types of "releasing mechanisms from use of rubbber bands to specific designed releases). . The process is basically you run out your main lure as usual and fix it in your regular downrigger release about 15 ft down. Then you attach one swivel on the end of short section of fluoro or mono (slider) with your selected lure at the other end right on the mainline and fasten the snap and let it slide down the mainline and let your downrigger down to the desired depth. The slider lure will seek its own depth and it may vary with speed and depth and weight or type of lure up and down the mainline and often locates in the bow of the mainline. Fish will sometimes come very close to the boat or right into the prop wash to grab the slider lure (usually a spoon). This process allows you to run two spoons per downrigger rather than stacking multiple rods per downrigger. The fixed slider is usually attached with a rubber band or other desired release to the downrigger wire at a specific depth after the main lure is deployed normally and it maintains the spoon at that depth rather than allowing it to slide up and down the mainline. Either of these versions can be very effective catching trout or salmon and with a little care major tangles can be avoided.
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I think the choice is between the #3 Spro (150 pound test) that Chris suggested and the slightly smaller#8 Spro power swivel (50 lb test) and some of it depends on the size of the diameter of your rod eyes and type of rod tip but Spro makes a great swivel in either case. There are some applications where the quality of the swivel may be less important but this isn't one of them
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When you say "stackers" are you referring to stacked rods as in a couple per downrigger? If so, you may want to run sliders instead. A little less trouble and increases options for running more or different equipment
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http://www.chinookdiver.com/
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John I think what Nick means is that sometimes the tail may not be as pronounced in the forking (i.e. just slightly forked) and I've also seen it fairly often so really to really be sure the position of the upper jaw jaw and its relationship to the eye (extends to the edge of eye not past it as in the brown) and with a rainbow the entire tail is spotted top and bottom as well as on the dorsal fin. The fork in the tail of the one you caught on the ice was classic but it isn't always that distinct.
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Since this is your initial investment in this other stuff go with the wire and divers but I'd say go with the Chinook #5 divers rather than mess around with the others (although I use the 124 mm Deeper Divers). The Chinooks offer quite a bit less resistance on the wire and will dig real deep. It can make a noticeable difference in your results. Just be sure to hook them up in the recommended way. Just as an added comment....you can use the wire rods pretty much year around while the lead cores are more limited in scope