Sk8man

I understand Jim. You guys are both coming at it from different angles and it is not a straightforward problem and I certainly wish both of you luck in your respective ventures. The retail business and the manufacturing/distribution ends of things can be pretty different "animals" to tame

Thanks for the report Jim....pretty discouraging though. It looks as though this will be a season for "jiggers only" on Canandaigua and Keuka. The fleas were there but not real bad yet on Cayuga yesterday northern section. It sure does take a bit of the fun out of trolling though. It may be Fall before the water cools enough and the flea levels go down again. Guess the recreational boaters and sail guys will be having the lake mostly to themselves....it is really a shame.

Honey Bees are very good spoons and I'm glad they are still being manufactured and sold. With that said I also know Fishy is an honest businessman who always tries to accomodate folks including sharing his knowledge and information about Keuka Lake fishing especially and he is always amenable to stocking things of interest to fishermen. It is too bad things can't be worked out equitably with a resolution somehow so that both of you small business guys can profit from the sale of those lures and we the customers can continue fully supporting both of you in your efforts and then everyone wins. Sometimes compromises can do wonders for businesses.

What a day and to finish up with food like that....doesn't get any better Justin

WTG Jim. Great smile on your son's face makes it all worthwhile right?

Congrats Justin really nice fish .....especially the carp guess you weren't taking chances on a soft mouth and pulling the hook Man that tiger must have really inhaled that Bay Rat...

Jim PM sent with Fishy's address and phone #

Sure looks that way Nick WTG. Nice spoon assortment too

I lost a couple responses to guys PM's too but just a matter of hooking up the electrodes to my little pea brain and hopefully the little light bulb will go on again I second Mark's comment regarding Chad's efforts .....always right on top of things when they do happen and this site runs smoothly nearly all the time

One way is to use gimbal mounts if you have recessed rod holders in the gunnels already. If not consider having them installed. I have four and have used them since day one. The only hole drilled in the boat is for the wires for depth finder etc. in the dash and mounting bracket for my kicker. During the heat of the summer it becomes a recreational (swimming) boat so the downriggers and rod holders lift right out and slip back in when I go fishing or just leave them in

Hey even old "codgers" can learn new stuff.....don't get too discouraged we'll "school" ya On second thought we may want to give you some bogus info before the derby

Nice work! The lakers have always loved that Long Point area

Ditto on Bob's comment....he'll truly be a danger to himself and others now on Seneca especially during the derby

Here are the basic differences between flashers and dodgers and a pic of a Spin Doctor as well. There are also different sizes available in these items. Pic 1 is the face or front side of (from left to right) 2 number 0 dodgers (blue/silver one and red one) Note the slight cupping on the ends that gives rise to a gentle swaying back in forth in terms of action Next to the right is a flasher (wonderbread design) with a fly different shaped bends in the ends without cupping giving a more pronounced but generally tighter back and forth motion or action On the right is a Spin Doctor/ fly setup It has a very different action than both the dodger or flasher it revolves round and round making the fly come through the water erratically back and forth. There are two sets of attachment holes one set at each end and placement determines the speed /action of the fly Pic 2 is the undersides of each item - Note the little rudder like affair at the end of the flasher and Spin Doctor and its absence on the dodger

Nice report John and you had some real tough competitors there too. Where are the "Silvers" when you need them eh?

I'd stick with 10 lb weights with those downriggers to not stress the motors.