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Sandy Creek Hamin 7/17-19
Sk8man replied to Sanitarium's topic in New York Fishing Reports - Lake Ontario (South Shore)
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Considering the fact that you have never used downriggers before you might want to consider getting an initial feel for the downriggers themselves and the basic process before getting too far afield with the additional stuff. Most of us have been using them for years and it has become a pretty much automated process and we may forget that it did have a slight learning curve to it in getting use to them very basically. I would suggest running them with just one main line each and pay close attention to where the lines go on turns and the placement of them on the boat in particular to make sure the wires don't get tangled for example....because you don't want to have to deal with that scenario Once you get used to them then add the cheaters and SWR's etc. and really start messing with them. I would also suggest not running them near the bottom to start out unless you are totally familiar with the contour of the bottom. make sure the drag on them will engage when you put excess pressure on the wire tooas I have seen a case (during a derby) where a guy hung upon bottom and the drag didn't work on his downrigger and it pulled a section of his gunwale right out of his boat and the downrigger went to the bottom. In short just start with the basics for a while.
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problem with fishing line getting tangled in downrigger cable
Sk8man replied to dremarquis's topic in Tackle and Techniques
Dre, I've been using Black releases since they were white in color (true) over thirty some years and have never had that happen on Lake O or any of the Fingers and Seneca has some strong currents as well. When you say "ball" does it have a guiding fin of any type on it or just a "cannonball" weight? Is the weight spinning on your swivel if you run it at the side of the boat down a few feet with and without the line actually in the release so you can view what is going on? It sure sounds like either the release itself or the ball is spinning and with your main line fixed in the release it is "winding" the upward portion of the line around the wire (braid loved to wind on itself and knot up on spinning rods at least). Strong current might be the ADDED factor to something that is otherwise a "borderline" condition at other times. I also wonder about the release freewheeling somehow while you are lowering the weight rapidly? I let mine down very rapidly compared with many other folks because I don't ever use the down button on my riggers I use the drag/brake and I don't encounter this problem and I also use sliders all the time too. I also have a crimp on the wire located midway between the holes in the release to keep it from going too far up or down. -
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You might want to try running one or two lines (maybe 1 dipsey and one spoon down BELOW that 50 degree mark for the kings because as you mentioned they can be found in low 40's water while playng with stuff above that. You also mentioned your spoons were NK's try using more of a spoon "assortment" (type and size wise)....NK's are good spoons but sometimes they want different size or action. Consider mixing up your presentation on the down riggers with a f/f on one close to the ball and a spoon on another on a fairly short lead above it on another.....maybe paired that way if running 4 downriggers. Don't be afraid to run dipseys even 400-450 ( I use Deeper Divers) or so out and then gradually bringing upward (lakers or kings)
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Stranded Wire for dipseys...yes some fleas get on sometimes but easy to get off and you get good hook ups and cuts through the water nicely...not as easy off boards as braid though.
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Ah.... I forgot about the tournament Ted ....man....I hope today's boat traffic isn't a sign of things to come for tomorrow ( but you know how the weekends are at this end) . I hope they see more fish and bait on the screen than we did today....I 'll be in Ithaca tomorrow but will be interested to see the results of the tournament. Thanks.
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Signalman and I hit the lake about 6AM in my rig and we started on the west side at the water plant drop off and trolled south with slight south wind which became more intense as the morning rolled on. We went with 5 rods as I didn't feel like screwing with the boards....two downriggers with cheaters set at 40 and 45 ft respectively, a 5 color leadcore with spoon unweighted, a wire rig with green and glow Echip flasher with bluish white home made fly, and wire rig with wonderbread Spin Doc with white home made fly. In short we nailed a couple small lakers on the flies in about 50 over 120ft or so and trolled to the condos and the wind died down on the way we also had a savage hit obn the flasherfly which bent the rod over real good and took out the drag and then off before we could pick up the rod (about 200 ft. and out120...think it was a nice rainbow from the looks of it). We turned and trolled north on the east side and put a couple 5 leader rigs out while going toward the middle and angled into 100 ft or so and then back out and when we hit 206 ft the side rig bent and the drag went out and Mike got it and it headed for bottom so I was thinking good sized laker but when it did finally come up it was a nice about 5 lb rainbow which hit a doctored up (nail polish) Sutton 35. We were trolling in the 2.7 to 2.8 range. We trolled north for quite awhile without marking much or seeing any bait. In fact we didn't mark hardly any bait and just a few fish mostly up high and could have been anything and a couple lakers hugging bottom for dear life and that was it. Mike and I had a great time chatting about old times and fishing stuff and he intuitively did whatever necessary whether driving or handling the equipment...a real pleasure fishing with someone who is very experienced whether rigs or any of the other stuff and without having to say anything...he just took up the slack naturally as though he was on his own boat...cool! Things on Canandaigua are still a puzzle and it is far from the lake I have fished in the past...few fish and bait seen very strange. We had to keep the rainbow as he was hooked deep and out through the eye which probably explains why he didn't jump. We quit about 12:45 PM P.S. I forgot to mention the weeds were mostly intermittent and located out toward the middle and the fleas were there but not too terrible
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Very nice rig Ed
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Nice work Ed Those weeds are a real pain.....as are the fleas guess it takes a bit of determination and perseverance these days. Signalman and I are heading out in the AM here on Canandaigua to see if we can locate the bows.....not sure what we will find regarding the weeds and fleas....
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salmon fishing lake ontario from a canoe.
Sk8man replied to craveman85's topic in Open Lake Discussion
These guys are experienced fishermen and know what they are talking about. I'd heed their advice. There's places for canoeing and then there is Lake O for salmon fishing the two do not mix well. Kayaking is a somewhat different animal and still riskier than being in a large seaworthy boat but to ignore safety concerns is very poor judgment and it is the type of thing that gets folks killed on Lake O She is not very forgiving when you make foolish mistakes no matter how experienced you might be. -
I sure remember the California Ranch and having a beer and sandwich after fishing at the bar. A shame the place burned down. It was also a great place to warm up after ice fishing
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No Freaking Way!
Sk8man replied to Pete Collin's topic in New York Fishing Reports - Lake Ontario (South Shore)
It may be a hoax (the pic etc.) but bull sharks in fresh water isn't and it seems like a REMOTE possibility...they have been found many miles inland from connections to the ocean. -
Nice work Dick I have good luck with those smaller Sutton's as well on the rigs and on leadcore and great you somehow escaped the weeds and fleas
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Ed - We left plenty of them in the lake for you last time out good luck bud.
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If you mean the major point north of Danny's place it is Menteth Point and often the fish you mark suspended there especiaily straight out from the creek mouth are large smallmouths that school up there and and occasional rainbow.You can troll back and forth for hours without them hitting.....been there done that
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The Honeoye situation is probably a little different than other lakes like Otisco because the average depth there is about only 15 to 18 ft (in much of the middle) with only a couple relatively small spots with 30 ft (the deepest it gets). There is a "basin" area with water in the 20's as well. The grass in summer often reaches the surface in most places and even in the middle is often just a little below the surface. There are some stretches where the weeds don't get as high and that is where it is often productive to run harnesses (live crawlers or plastic) or casting rapala like lures after dark (the large mouths can be a pain though)