Sk8man

I agree Brian...and he is there and really loving it big time. He met some guy with 200 acres of prime hunting land too and some right next to Pat so he is really in his element. Apparently a lot of good fishing nearby as well. Les

Often the transducer is supposed to be at an angle (usually defined in the installation instructions)..some of it depends on the hull design of your boat and the actual placement of it. Airmar transducers (when properly matched to the unit and use) are viewed by many folks(me included) to be superior to the ones that are shipped with Lowrance products. Another factor may be which khz setting you are using at the depths you are fishing (or whether you use the auto setting) The cone angle is dramatically different for each. The 50khz is best at deep water detection. Another possibility to keep in mind is that a bad transducer can act that way too and still detect bottom features fine.

Great pic Brian....I'll send a copy to Pat W. in my email to him tonight.

Jeff - John's suggestion is the one I've been looking at too and apparently getting a good properly installed antennae is also important. I'm planning to use my hand held as just a backup.

The lakers still may be there just not where expected. In both Seneca and Canandaigua there is still very significant bait and fish too in shallower than we are used to fishing right now....things have seemed to be behind schedule all along this season (trees and flowers etc.) and most jiggers and trollers are used to fishing out deeper than the fish may be right now and Keuka may be similar.

WTG Joe! Like the ole saying "Necessity is the mother of invention"....a little creative thinking can go a long way

Nice going Bruce and you never know the full extent of the impact of exposing kids to that kind of experience. and those memories may last a lifetime. I still remember every detasil of my first fish (a 12 inch smallmouth) caught fishing from shore with my dad and despite the thousands of fish since then I still remember every thing about that day the spot and the look on my dads face when I got it in....I was 4 years old!

If near middle part of lake: http://screwylouiessportshop.com/ or if near Lake George area : http://www.fish307.com/downrigger-and-minn-kota-parts.aspx

Nice going Glen and good report....felt as though I was right there

The moral of the story is: being a good samaritan doesn't always work There's always at least one yahoo in the crowd Ed.

One of the points that Ray made should not be glossed over because it is at the heart of the State's financial woes and that s the fact that nearly all money taken in by the state is put into the "GENERAL FUND" and then treated as a pinata by the legislators and governor with everyone hitting it with their stick to get money for their short-sighted self-serving projects. All funds should be dedicated for specific use and the general fund used for "overflow" with specific accounting to make sure the funds are used only for their intended use (e.g. Thruway tolls and gasoline taxes go only to improve roads and bridges etc. and launch ramp fees only for maintenance and development of launches, lottery monies only to the schools etc. One of the other outdated things the state does is they don't roll over funds from one year to the next....they get rid of the money each year at the end of the fiscal year by spending it on BS things just to get rid of it instead of responsibly managing it. I saw it happen for over 30 years.

I agree the experience at the Auburn store sucks. I went there for the first time last week and the store is humongous but when I went to check out there was only one person checking people out and there ere about a dozen employees just milling around and doing totally bogus stuff (just pawing at items appearing to be doing something and when I finally checked out there were three employees outside the store milling around and not doing anything. If I were a consultant evaluating the store they would be short some staff after I left for starters. The store is poorly run.

Bigfoot is right and the Empire Pass is worth getting if you do much launching. I used to always be uptight about having the 7$ in my vehicle to pay the charge bcause I oiften forgot about it when the toll things were unmanned in the AM and once I had to give the guy it all in change (from my thruway money)..... I do have to admit I did have a warm fuzzy feeling when I saw the look on his face when he had to count it out