Who said there's no browns? The derby results show other wise.. I've noticed plenty of people bash Seneca, yet they fish other lakes without trying.... it's too bad. Dont get me wrong, there was a reason for concern, but IMHO, the lake is a healthy, tough for a weekend or seasonal warrior. But this lakes always been tough for guys who rarely fish it. Nick Sent from my SM-G950U using Lake Ontario United mobile app